Winter H/caps using ClubV1 software

[2blue]

As we are about to 'turn-off' the Winter H/cap facility I note that of the 67 players who have moved at least 1 shot over winter, 45 have gone down.. some by as much as 4 shots.
Makes we wonder about when they re-start, Nov time or so, should they 'retain' the winter h/cap as it is, or should the winter starting point be the 'Official CONGU' Summer one they finish the season on.
Main difference in winter is... slightly shorter course & 'pick & place' through the green
Anyone with experience of this??
Or just tell us what you think

 

[Deleted member 16999]

As we are about to 'turn-off' the Winter H/cap facility I note that of the 67 players who have moved at least 1 shot over winter, 45 have gone down.. some by as much as 4 shots.
Makes we wonder about when they re-start, Nov time or so, should they 'retain' the winter h/cap as it is, or should the winter starting point be the 'Official CONGU' Summer one they finish the season on.
Main difference in winter is... slightly shorter course & 'pick & place' through the green
Anyone with experience of this??
Or just tell us what you think

Our "Winter" handicaps are now finished, dead and buried and on the 1st weekend in Nov we start again, starting point is whatever you finish the season with,

 

[2blue]

Our "Winter" handicaps are now finished, dead and buried and on the 1st weekend in Nov we start again, starting point is whatever you finish the season with,

Doesn't that mean that the folk who lost a whole load of shots last winter are, potentially, going to be in the same position to do the same again next winter... is that fair??
Shouldn't their 'Winter H/cap' be exactly that..... the H/cap they earn themselves in the Winter.... like their Summer one works??

 

[rosecott]

As we are about to 'turn-off' the Winter H/cap facility I note that of the 67 players who have moved at least 1 shot over winter, 45 have gone down.. some by as much as 4 shots.
Makes we wonder about when they re-start, Nov time or so, should they 'retain' the winter h/cap as it is, or should the winter starting point be the 'Official CONGU' Summer one they finish the season on.
Main difference in winter is... slightly shorter course & 'pick & place' through the green
Anyone with experience of this??
Or just tell us what you think

No qualifiers, no CONGU handicap adjustment.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Doesn't that mean that the folk who lost a whole load of shots last winter are, potentially, going to be in the same position to do the same again next winter... is that fair??
Shouldn't their 'Winter H/cap' be exactly that..... the H/cap they earn themselves in the Winter.... like their Summer one works??

Surely they are HC changes gained when the course isn't at a condition deemed to be HC Qualfiying

 

[2blue]

No qualifiers, no CONGU handicap adjustment.

Surely they are HC changes gained when the course isn't at a condition deemed to be HC Qualfiying

Think you'se have miss-read or I've miss-lead..
Yes exactly.....it's not CONGU....it's an arrangement for fair-play in winter conditions..... it doesn't affect their CONGU h/cap at all, at any time.
It's just that NEXT winter why should they not pick-up their Winter H/cap where it left off??

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Never understood having a "winter" handicap. If the course isn't fit to be a qualifier (winter tees/greens) then it doesn't affect handicap anyway. Why have a separate handicap at all?

 

[2blue]

Never understood having a "winter" handicap. If the course isn't fit to be a qualifier (winter tees/greens) then it doesn't affect handicap anyway. Why have a separate handicap at all?

We have 2 or 3 winter Comp a week, on a course that has never shut nor gone to temp-greens this winter & without some kind of H/cap adjustment the same group of folk would be scooping up week after week & people would just stop entering

 

[rosecott]

Think you'se have miss-read or I've miss-lead..
Yes exactly.....it's not CONGU....it's an arrangement for fair-play in winter conditions..... it doesn't affect their CONGU h/cap at all, at any time.
It's just that NEXT winter why should they not pick-up their Winter H/cap where it left off??

If you're having winter non-CONGU handicaps then you can do what you like. I can see the logic of starting the winter with the same winter handicap players had at the end of the previous winter - but - be prepared for the inevitable flak.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

We have 2 or 3 winter Comp a week, on a course that has never shut nor gone to temp-greens this winter & without some kind of H/cap adjustment the same group of folk would be scooping up week after week & people would just stop entering

If the course is never shut or on temp greens then I'm guessing the course is reduced more than 100yarfs from the measured course ?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Think you'se have miss-read or I've miss-lead..
Yes exactly.....it's not CONGU....it's an arrangement for fair-play in winter conditions..... it doesn't affect their CONGU h/cap at all, at any time.
It's just that NEXT winter why should they not pick-up their Winter H/cap where it left off??

For exactly the reasons you gave Homer, they are all non-qualifiers we only cut winners and runner-up, 75% of handicaps don't change, it's only fun and gives people some competitive Golf in Winter

 

[2blue]

If you're having winter non-CONGU handicaps then you can do what you like. I can see the logic of starting the winter with the same winter handicap players had at the end of the previous winter - but - be prepared for the inevitable flak.

Haha.... I guess you'd get flak either way Jim.... but for me it's pretty logical that you keep the Winter H/cap that you 'earned' last time..... after all they keep the money they earned getting it

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Haha.... I guess you'd get flak either way Jim.... but for me it's pretty logical that you keep the Winter H/cap that you 'earned' last time..... after all they keep the money they earned getting it

What if someone had a great season and reduced their proper handicap below their winter one, would you put them back up for the winter?

 

[rosecott]

What if someone had a great season and reduced their proper handicap below their winter one, would you put them back up for the winter?

That doesn't sound like the kind of thing Dave would be likely to do.

 

[2blue]

For exactly the reasons you gave Homer, they are all non-qualifiers we only cut winners and runner-up, 75% of handicaps don't change, it's only fun and gives people some competitive Golf in Winter

Ah..... I see Paul, you're not using the Club V1 facility of Winter Q Comps which don't affect CONGU H/caps but do ensure fair competition. With the V1 we simply tick a box which prevents adjusts being sent to CDH & the Winter H/cap is held on our PSI only & won't show on HDIDo. Its' 'neat' & been declared a great success by all involved.
Of the 125 who played in the Winter Comps 55% had a H/cap adjustment of at least one shot from their start/finish handicap... so I'd suggest that the winter adjustment plays a significant part in maintaining players levels.

 

[2blue]

What if someone had a great season and reduced their proper handicap below their winter one, would you put them back up for the winter?

Aye... that's to be decided, really..... I'd say no, as winter playing conditions make golf easier for the vast majority & this has been shown by results this winter. What would you do?

That doesn't sound like the kind of thing Dave would be likely to do.

Not me Jim, but certainly our new H/cap Sec who thinks like me...... got to stay ahead of those members who we know 'set themselves up' H/cap wise for the Winter...... so in a way Paul's query would not be a big issue as I see it.
Certainly good to have the facility.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Aye... that's to be decided, really..... I'd say no, as winter playing conditions make golf easier for the vast majority & this has been shown by results this winter. What would you do?



Not me Jim, but certainly our new H/cap Sec who thinks like me...... got to stay ahead of those members who we know 'set themselves up' H/cap wise for the Winter...... so in a way Paul's query would not be a big issue as I see it.
Certainly good to have the facility.

All our Comps are run exactly the same way as summer, I suppose you could say normal handicaps are suspended for the winter, we get the odd bloke who gets more than 1 cut, but with reducing them 15 & 10% we get no issues with the same people dominating the comps. no one at our place takes their winter handicap serious.

 

[2blue]

All our Comps are run exactly the same way as summer, I suppose you could say normal handicaps are suspended for the winter, we get the odd bloke who gets more than 1 cut, but with reducing them 15 & 10% we get no issues with the same people dominating the comps. no one at our place takes their winter handicap serious.

This would happen as there was no adjustment..... much better now.... it's finding something that works for you.... seems you have, Paul.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

For exactly the reasons you gave Homer, they are all non-qualifiers we only cut winners and runner-up, 75% of handicaps don't change, it's only fun and gives people some competitive Golf in Winter

I see where you're coming from although to me it seems more like a club run roll up as most of these at our club will cut winners/runners up to stop the same people winning the cash every week. That said, we have a Sunday one that doesn't have cuts, and all the best players, plus choppers like me, play and we seem to get a plethora of winners over the winter. Strange how it goes. I can see it causing issues though if you have someone finishing one winter season on one handicap, having a good summer (or indeed a shocking one) and there next winter one not reflecting their current level

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I see where you're coming from although to me it seems more like a club run roll up as most of these at our club will cut winners/runners up to stop the same people winning the cash every week. That said, we have a Sunday one that doesn't have cuts, and all the best players, plus choppers like me, play and we seem to get a plethora of winners over the winter. Strange how it goes. I can see it causing issues though if you have someone finishing one winter season on one handicap, having a good summer (or indeed a shocking one) and there next winter one not reflecting their current level

Exactly, that's why we start the winter on actual handicap. It's not a roll up as such, on that it's run exactly the same as our summer comps, book on brs, but with mats, teeing up on the fairway and reduced length, they're non-qualifiers. :thup: