Why does CSS take no account on conditions and time of day.

[patricks148]

Me and a couple of mates played in a comp yesterday, we were the only guys who played in the afternoon as it was quite windy. all the other 35 guys played in the morning when there was not so much as a breath of wind so the CSS was down a stroke to 72 (usually 73) when we went out.

Played ok and shot 77 gross so only made buffer.

so is it one of those rub of the green things you get with golf?

or should conditions come into the CSS Calculation?

 

[Dodger]

Me and a couple of mates played in a comp yesterday, we were the only guys who played in the afternoon as it was quite windy. all the other 35 guys played in the morning when there was not so much as a breath of wind so the CSS was down a stroke to 72 (usually 73) when we went out.

Played ok and shot 77 gross so only made buffer.

so is it one of those rub of the green things you get with golf?

or should conditions come into the CSS Calculation?

Tough crap Patrick.

Happens in The Open a lot.

Maybe those who play early and get the weather break should add 1 shot to make it fair.

Get out of here!

 

[patricks148]

that's very true but the draw for the open is reversed the next day isn't it?

Plus what i did see of the open was most of the Pro's grousing how the conditions were better for everyone else, etc etc

 

[palindromicbob]

Me and a couple of mates played in a comp yesterday, we were the only guys who played in the afternoon as it was quite windy. all the other 35 guys played in the morning when there was not so much as a breath of wind so the CSS was down a stroke to 72 (usually 73) when we went out.

Played ok and shot 77 gross so only made buffer.

so is it one of those rub of the green things you get with golf?

or should conditions come into the CSS Calculation?

conditions affect the CSS because if poor then scoring drop and CSS rises. you were in an unfortunate case where there was only a small number out in bad weather. had lots been out then CSS would probably have reflected that.
CSS dropped a shot because the majoirty of the field played in ideal conditions. The only way for it to do whatyou seem to want is to have calculated a seperate CSS for your group.

 

[Dodger]

that's very true but the draw for the open is reversed the next day isn't it?

Plus what i did see of the open was most of the Pro's grousing how the conditions were better for everyone else, etc etc

Rory scored big time this year but got the bad draw at St Andrews 2010 when it blew a hooly and shot 80 after his opening 63 but some got the old 'good,good' draw and missed the wind.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

One of many reasons why CSS is a nonsense.

 

[patricks148]

conditions affect the CSS because if poor then scoring drop and CSS rises. you were in an unfortunate case where there was only a small number out in bad weather. had lots been out then CSS would probably have reflected that.
CSS dropped a shot because the majoirty of the field played in ideal conditions. The only way for it to do whatyou seem to want is to have calculated a seperate CSS for your group.

no at all, i made buffer happy with that, just made me wonder..... Sat for instance all the morning starters had nice weather, after lunch it lashed it down and very windy.

I remember on a few cards when i first started playing had time and weather conditions tab on....

 

[Imurg]

There's always an assumption that bad weather automatically equals poor scores....
CSS provides a number to adjust handicaps based on how you've played compared to other people's scores, it doesn't take into account the weather at all.
It could be blowing a hoolie but you could still score well, likewise on a nice sunny calm day you can play like a numpty....
However you play, your handicap is adjusted based on other people's scores.

 

[CMAC]

that's very true but the draw for the open is reversed the next day isn't it?

Plus what i did see of the open was most of the Pro's grousing how the conditions were better for everyone else, etc etc

..and you are emulating the pro's :smirk:

 

[chellie]

There's always an assumption that bad weather automatically equals poor scores....
CSS provides a number to adjust handicaps based on how you've played compared to other people's scores, it doesn't take into account the weather at all.
It could be blowing a hoolie but you could still score well, likewise on a nice sunny calm day you can play like a numpty....
However you play, your handicap is adjusted based on other people's scores.

Yep, HID has had his best gross competition scores in conditions where loads have walked in.

 

[patricks148]

..and you are emulating the pro's :smirk:

that will be the only thing i can do like the pro's

 

[Fyldewhite]

It's just a statistical model at the end of the day and small fields will always produce anomalies. There's also a perception that "low" scores reduce it when it's really just a proportion of the field scoring their buffer or better. CSS could reduce with no scores under par. I don't think it's nonsense though. The handicap system on the whole works quite well providing committees apply the rules properly.

 

[Deleted member 15717]

Why should weather affect CSS?

You may have seen it already, and I apologise, but give this a read http://www.congu.com/faqs/css.pdf