WHS Handicap Index - Finally Revealed

[OLgolfer]

I've got a society day on 5th Nov, what are the chances that I'll be able to pre-register and submit my card for handicap? Will the infrastructure be up and running?

 

[rulefan]

I've got a society day on 5th Nov, what are the chances that I'll be able to pre-register and submit my card for handicap? Will the infrastructure be up and running?

It will depend on where you are playing

 

[nickjdavis]

Our Admin just informed me that Club Systems final upload will be 1 Nov to hopefully catch those comps and cards entered this month so she is sending out to all members that this is happening and their index is subject to change.

Played golf with the Capt of Sidmouth yesterday and there course is rated at 114, I really think that the course ratter's who actually come form the county used more than just a guide book to come up with their decisions.

HandicapMaster informed me this morning that the WHS would take a final dump from the current CDH on Nov 1st and then the HM software would be able to push future scores to the WHS from 2nd Nov. Unfortunately they didnt clarify whether historical first cards for handicaps would be pushed as well as "new" scores.

 

[nickjdavis]

I had an email from EG yesterday but couldn't update the forum put they did suffer a software glitch that resulted in a lot of this pending issues and missing members, I'm slowly going through ours but I can see no pending issues now and members who were missing are appearing.

Id appreciate it if the those who have spotted where players have had three cards for handicap not being included could update the thread if this has also been resolved before I waste another day of my life as Im supposed to be taking HID to Cornwall for a few days.

Nope...no change...the 3 cards for initial handicap are not shown on the WHS platform.

It appears that players with 0 or 1 score in the WHS have been allocated an index equivalent to their CONGU handicap. Some players with 2 scores in their WHS record have been allocated an index based on their best score minus 2 whereas some have been allocated an index equivalent to their Congu handicap.

Go figure the logic.

 

[Imurg]

Let me get my head around this...
You de-slope scores, look at the differential which may or may not have used CSS, add the best 8 together, re-slope them somewhere, find the average, perform another calculation involving slope and course rating or someone's inside leg measurement to come up with a number......and then you use 95% of that number when you play..
Simples........Why couldn't they have thought up something more complicated..?
Glad the computer's going to do it.......until it breaks.......

 

[Deleted member 3432]

Let me get my head around this...
You de-slope scores, look at the differential which may or may not have used CSS, add the best 8 together, re-slope them somewhere, find the average, perform another calculation involving slope and course rating or someone's inside leg measurement to come up with a number......and then you use 95% of that number when you play..
Simples........Why couldn't they have thought up something more complicated..?
Glad the computer's going to do it.......until it breaks.......

Csll me cynical but somebody will be making a lot of money out of this..... and even more when they have to fix it ??

 

[HampshireHog]

Csll me cynical but somebody will be making a lot of money out of this..... and even more when they have to fix it ??

Hope they’re using an xlsx file format ?

 

[Green Man]

Let me get my head around this...
You de-slope scores, look at the differential which may or may not have used CSS, add the best 8 together, re-slope them somewhere, find the average, perform another calculation involving slope and course rating or someone's inside leg measurement to come up with a number......and then you use 95% of that number when you play..
Simples........Why couldn't they have thought up something more complicated..?
Glad the computer's going to do it.......until it breaks.......

Or you can just wait until it goes live and see what it says your HI is. Quite easy I think.

 

[badgergm]

It appears that an initial migration has been done with Little or no information on the methodology, and no instructions on what to do or not do with the information. Very poor.

 

[Imurg]

Or you can just wait until it goes live and see what it says your HI is. Quite easy I think.

Exactly what I'll be doing.
Going to make life interesting if and when the computer systems fail.
Or when people get the 95% calculation wrong..or forget to apply it.

 

[badgergm]

And you have no means of checking whether it’s correct or not because they’re not even publishing the rules they’re using for transition?

 

[harpo_72]

Have they opened the website up yet ?

 

[2blue]

Have they opened the website up yet ?

It's available to those who have the log-on details..... Match & H/cap Secs.
I'm down a shot to 10.3 which is more than anticipated, with my 8th good score as number 18 of the 20.
Looking forward to the fairness that this going to bring when I play on other N Leeds courses that are all rated higher.

 

[IanM]

so if your HI is "down" to 10.3, how many shots will you get on your home course in a medal?

 

[Old Skier]

It's available to those who have the log-on details..... Match & H/cap Secs.
I'm down a shot to 10.3 which is more than anticipated, with my 8th good score as number 18 of the 20.
Looking forward to the fairness that this going to bring when I play on other N Leeds courses that are all rated higher.

Surley your only down a shot on a 113 slope what are you off your courses slope or is that going by your course slope.

 

[2blue]

so if your HI is "down" to 10.3, how many shots will you get on your home course in a medal?

@95% I'd have a CH of 11 off both our White & Yellow tees 10.45 off the latter

 

[2blue]

Surley your only down a shot on a 113 slope what are you off your courses slope or is that going by your course slope.

Ah, yes..... be back to 11 then. Got it!! ?

 

[jim8flog]

I've got a society day on 5th Nov, what are the chances that I'll be able to pre-register and submit my card for handicap? Will the infrastructure be up and running?

You will be ok the fireworks normally start in the evening.

 

[Swango1980]

Nope...no change...the 3 cards for initial handicap are not shown on the WHS platform.

It appears that players with 0 or 1 score in the WHS have been allocated an index equivalent to their CONGU handicap. Some players with 2 scores in their WHS record have been allocated an index based on their best score minus 2 whereas some have been allocated an index equivalent to their Congu handicap.

Go figure the logic.

As handicap sec, I am now going to refrain from touching the WHS Platform at all until after 1st November (unless we are told for certain that new players 1st 3 scores will definitely not be added, in which case I may start adding them)

I understand all golfers get access on Monday. AQlthough, I'm not sure if England Golf sends out a big email to them, or it is up to clubs to pass on this message to their members.

Either way, on Sunday night, or Monday, I'll send out an e-mail to all members to tell them these are not final, October scores will be missing until 1st November, and new players may find they get a very different value once I review them early November (I better start with the ones playing in the Winter League)

 

[nickjdavis]

As handicap sec, I am now going to refrain from touching the WHS Platform at all until after 1st November (unless we are told for certain that new players 1st 3 scores will definitely not be added, in which case I may start adding them)

I understand all golfers get access on Monday. Although, I'm not sure if England Golf sends out a big email to them, or it is up to clubs to pass on this message to their members.

Either way, on Sunday night, or Monday, I'll send out an e-mail to all members to tell them these are not final, October scores will be missing until 1st November, and new players may find they get a very different value once I review them early November (I better start with the ones playing in the Winter League)

I would have thought that the WHS, now that it allegedly knows everyone email addresses, would be able to automatically send out an invite to all golfers to log on and register.

We will see on Monday morning because mine is the only email address in the WHS system!!! We have collected ours, or as many as we can, we just haven't uploaded them to the WHS because our ISV only released a software update, allowing us to do this, yesterday.