jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
However there were several caveats to that rule and following the flow charts meant most did not get a review by the whole committee.
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However there were several caveats to that rule and following the flow charts meant most did not get a review by the whole committee.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
What I have noted from the overhead is reatively few bunkers (notably fairway ones ) greenside ones are always short front left and some holes do not have any bunkers.
there is only 0.2 difference between par and CR so it could be just one hole that adds the extra 0.2.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
AussieKB
Well-known member
Yes, numerous doglegs and when you miss the fairway you are not on grass but dirt and sand, so normally in a depression and very hard to get good ball contact, quite a few of the greens are raised as well, also the kikuyu grass does not give you much run.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
Thanks for the guide.
Sounds a bit better than ours - miss our fairways and you could be in amongst the trees with only a side ways shot or a potential lost ball in the deep grass. Also we only have one hole without any bunkers. Slope rating yellow 124 white 128 CRs are less than par
rulefan
Tour Winner
That relationship depends on the arbitrarily allocated hole pars of course. Adding the CRs would be more informative
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
this was an ongoing discussion about a particular course and it's CR and slope rather than about my course.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Could that possibly be part of the problem.
from just three numbers you can come up with a conclusion like that. Without playing the course.
The Raters must be accurate.
But my course suits a draw and a fader of the ball will find it harder.
rosecott
Money List Winner
I would anticipate a scratch golfer having the ability to cope with that.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Yes I would to .
but I would think and would hope you think the same ,we do have courses that suit our eye .
this imo is generally because it suits our general shot shape.
a fader ,long hitter at mine would run out of fairway on a few holes and might have to hit less club.
but a drawer of the ball just bombs it down the apex of the corner.
so just an observation .
genuine question do course raters take shot shape into their calculations?
rulefan
Tour Winner
The system assumes all players will attempt to put their ball into their optimum 'landing area' with a straight shot regardless of their natural shape. The 'landing area' gets bigger as handicaps go up. It assumes that players do that 2/3 of the time. It does not take account of a player who deliberately plays a shot that he knows is 'not really on'.
It would be difficult to build a rating system which took into account the proportion of left handed slicers or hookers and right handed hookers and slicers of different handicap profiles who actually play the course. If the rating was 'biased' for right handed slicers, what would the rating be for left handed slicers playing the course in a open competition.
If players who have an extreme shape consistently have problems on their 'home' course it will be reflected in their handicap index. But in my experience most manage to adapt.
This may be thought of as a deficiency but I can't think of a workable alternative.
AussieKB
Well-known member
We had a 47 handicapper win today, that really gladdens my heart not, I know we all have to start some where, but to be given this many shots is a joke in my opinion.
Why should a 47 hc not win ? On the face of it, there is nothing whatsoever wrong with that.
LincolnShep
Head Pro
What's the complaint? Do you have a problem with the player, or the organisers?
Should players with 17 handicaps be banned from competitions in case they beat someone off +3?
Handicap comps are won by players with handicaps.
sunshine
Well-known member
I thought slope had nothing to do with difficulty of a course?
AussieKB
Well-known member
No problem then, let's raise handicaps to 100......then everyone will be happy.
just a question though, what was max handicap when you started ?
it was 24 for me....then went to 27 then 36 now 54......
hey don't get lessons we will just give you more handicap so you can win,
sounds like at school now, no winners just medals for competing
just a question though, what was max handicap when you started ?
it was 24 for me....then went to 27 then 36 now 54......
hey don't get lessons we will just give you more handicap so you can win,
sounds like at school now, no winners just medals for competing
wjemather
Well-known member
Slope has nothing to do with the absolute difficulty, i.e. for a scratch golfer, but it does indicate the relative difficulty for a higher handicapper.
wjemather
Well-known member
Handicaps are about inclusivity, and enabling players of different abilities to compete with one another on an equal footing.
Handicaps are not about winning, or favouring better players. If you are entering handicap competitions thinking otherwise, and treating them as anything other than a level-odds sweepstake or just a bit of competitive fun, far more often than not you are going to come away disappointed.
LincolnShep
Head Pro
Do you have a problem with the player, or the organisers? If it's the latter, why did you enter a comp that allows 47 handicappers to enter?
Captain_Black.
Well-known member
How about anyone over 18 H/C has their own comp?
It could be called maybe the Choppers Trophy.
1st prize - golf lessons
2nd prize - a ball retriever
3rd prize - a calculator (to add up the huge score)
