WHS doesn't work

[doublebogey7]

Sorry yes, I meant at a glance.

Don't you think the dash bourd is already busy enough?

 

[Deleted member 30522]

Don't you think the dash bourd is already busy enough?

Not really no. But if that's an issue, show your actual gross score (or NR) on the main screen, you'll still see what your net differential is, and you can click through and see adjusted. Remember the score differential you see takes acount of PCC, but PCC is only shown if you click into the scorecard.

 

[jim8flog]

Not really no. But if that's an issue, show your actual gross score (or NR) on the main screen, you'll still see what your net differential is, and you can click through and see adjusted. Remember the score differential you see takes acount of PCC, but PCC is only shown if you click into the scorecard.

I presume you are talking about on the App. The PCC is clearly shown on a PC screen. (should be horizontal)

Played
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Marker

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Score Diff

Handicap Index®

 

[IJames]

Sorry yes, I meant at a glance.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Now here's something a bit unusual.
Comp at our place yesterday.
Medal with only 28 entrants. I did not play.
Tough going apparently, north-east wind, no run on fairways, placing on closely-mown, Par 70, CR 70.8, SR 132.



Winner has gone from HI 3.2 to HI 2.8 as a consequence.
Don't yet know about PCC.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

 

[woofers]

Now here's something a bit unusual.
Comp at our place yesterday.
Medal with only 28 entrants. I did not play.
Tough going apparently, north-east wind, no run on fairways, placing on closely-mown, Par 70, CR 70.8, SR 132.

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Winner has gone from HI 3.2 to HI 2.8 as a consequence.
Don't yet know about PCC.

Not enough information to for me to understand any point you are making.
His score is 1 over the Course Rating on what you say was a difficult day, so well played, comfortably ahead of the rest bar the guy in second place.
His score differential was 4.5, against a course handicap of 3.7 (4). Very good.
What you haven't divulged is other parts of his handicap record - a movement of 0.4 in HI, roughly means that a round with a score differential of 3.2 greater than the latest round, so 7.7, is dropping out of the best 8 of 20 - assuming he has a fully developed handicap of 20 scores? HI movements can be quite severe during the build up to 20 scores.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Not enough information to for me to understand any point you are making.
His score is 1 over the Course Rating on what you say was a difficult day, so well played, comfortably ahead of the rest bar the guy in second place.
His score differential was 4.5, against a course handicap of 3.7 (4). Very good.
What you haven't divulged is other parts of his handicap record - a movement of 0.4 in HI, roughly means that a round with a score differential of 3.2 greater than the latest round, so 7.7, is dropping out of the best 8 of 20 - assuming he has a fully developed handicap of 20 scores? HI movements can be quite severe during the build up to 20 scores.

The point I was making was that three low handicappers placed high in the comp and some high handicappers appeared to struggle.
The opposite of what many WHS moaners often gripe about.
I mentioned the winner's HI to explain exactly how low his HI was, even though he was the winner of a net comp.
He is a young chap that I know, so I knew what his HI was going into the comp and today could see what it had changed to.
Don't know the rest of the details, as I don't have access to his record.
I'm guessing that there was a PCC of +1 or even +2, but don't know that yet either.
I'm sorry that I can not give you all the further details that would interest you.
The main unusual thing for me is that I don't recall a winning net score of 72 in all the years I've been playing at my club.

 

[clubchamp98]

The point I was making was that three low handicappers placed high in the comp and some high handicappers appeared to struggle.
The opposite of what many WHS moaners often gripe about.
I mentioned the winner's HI to explain exactly how low his HI was, even though he was the winner of a net comp.
He is a young chap that I know, so I knew what his HI was going into the comp and today could see what it had changed to.
Don't know the rest of the details, as I don't have access to his record.
I'm guessing that there was a PCC of +1 or even +2, but don't know that yet either.
I'm sorry that I can not give you all the further details that would interest you.
The main unusual thing for me is that I don't recall a winning net score of 72 in all the years I've been playing at my club.

I think the harder the conditions the more the better ball strikers shine.
plus it’s a big shock this time of year when 1000yds are added to the winter course when we all move back to the tips.
we had a similar thing last week , four low guys in the top six but a 25 capper beat them with 41 pts.
Pcc was 2 so it was tough.

 

[jim8flog]

Winner has gone from HI 3.2 to HI 2.8 as a consequence.

It is the score it replaced which is relevant rather than the fact he won. He could have come any where with the same score and his handicap would have still altered.

 

[Voyager EMH]

It is the score it replaced which is relevant rather than the fact he won. He could have come any where with the same score and his handicap would have still altered.

I suspect he beat his 8th best score by 4 shots with the score dropping off his record being not in his best eight.
With no PCC his score differential is 4.5.
Now I doubt very much that his 8th best score differential was in the region of 8.5 when he had a HI of 3.2.
I suspect that the PCC was +2 or possibly +3.

A PCC of +3 would give him a SD of 1.9 and if this replaced a SD of 5.3 (a gross 77 as his 8th best on the same course with no PCC) then I think this would cause a reduction of 0.4 to the HI.

Both you and Woofers seem to have construed something about the intention of my post which was not my intention at all.

My intention was merely to show a competition result where low-handicappers appeared to out-perform the higher handicappers. The opposite of a common WHS gripe.
My final 2 sentences were meant to be an indication of the likelihood of a PCC adjustment as I do not have access to confirm this.

 

[D-S]

4 handicapper wins medal shock! 16 handicapper only comes 2nd. What is the world coming to?

 

[Voyager EMH]

4 handicapper wins medal shock! 16 handicapper only comes 2nd. What is the world coming to?

My sentiment exactly.

And that 16-handicapper shot two treble bogeys on the 17th and 18th. (winner made two bogeys)
And he was playing with the eventual winner.
Must be kicking himself as they tied, but he had the poorer back nine.
Last two holes were into the NE wind.

 

[woofers]

Both you and Woofers seem to have construed something about the intention of my post which was not my intention at all.

My intention was merely to show a competition result where low-handicappers appeared to out-perform the higher handicappers. The opposite of a common WHS gripe.
My final 2 sentences were meant to be an indication of the likelihood of a PCC adjustment as I do not have access to confirm this.

Apologies for that, given the general gripes on here and the thread title, I incorrectly assumed that your post was something negative along the lines of "low handicapper wins event, shoots higher than handicap and still gets a cut!".
Thanks for your clarification.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

My sentiment exactly.

And that 16-handicapper shot two treble bogeys on the 17th and 18th. (winner made two bogeys)
And he was playing with the eventual winner.
Must be kicking himself as they tied, but he had the poorer back nine.
Last two holes were into the NE wind.

I don't think you've grasped statistics. Nobody has claimed a low handicapper will never win, especially in poor weather.

 

[sunshine]

P a g e 19 | Guidance on the rules of handicapping
RULE
7
Committee Actions
G7.1b Applying a Penalty Score


Reason for Penalty Score
Non-valid reason (e.g. memory or not realising a score had to be returned in such situations as injury, failing light, dangerous weather etc.)
A score equivalent to the current Handicap Index should be submitted to the WHS Platform (i.e. an Adjusted Gross Score which would be equivalent to the Course Rating + Course Handicap).

Possible attempt to keep handicap low
A score equivalent to the Adjusted Gross Score of the highest return in the last 20 scores should be submitted to the WHS Platform.

Possible attempt to build a handicap
A score equivalent to the Adjusted Gross Score of the lowest return in the last 20 scores should be submitted to the WHS Platform.

Thanks Jim. A lot of discretion here it seems: a penalty score could be either really high or really low depending on what the handicap secretary thinks the player is trying to achieve?

 

[Voyager EMH]

I don't think you've grasped statistics. Nobody has claimed a low handicapper will never win, especially in poor weather.

I have a very good grasp of statistics.
Where have I claimed that anybody has stated that a low handicapper will never win?
I posted a fairly unusual competition result with a winning nett score of two over par.
I made no claims about the significance of this result. I posted it for illustration and information.

You are the third person to construe that I was making claims about the significance of this result, when I made no such claims at all.

 

[Swango1980]

I have a very good grasp of statistics.
Where have I claimed that anybody has stated that a low handicapper will never win?
I posted a fairly unusual competition result with a winning nett score of two over par.
I made no claims about the significance of this result. I posted it for illustration and information.

You are the third person to construe that I was making claims about the significance of this result, when I made no such claims at all.

Then your opening lines of post 1928 were poorly worded, as you specifically told us the point you were making was that low handicappers had done well, the opposite of what WHS moaners go on about.

Even though that point had not been made well in your opening post, you confirmed your point in post 1928.

 

[chrisd]

I've not posted hardly at all here but I've got to say that there are times that WHS really pee's me off. Last week I won our club Stableford with 39 points and got only a .8 cut to 15.5 albeit 39 points was really good in the conditions on the day. Yesterday was an awful day, the course was wet and it rained heavily for a good part of the back 9. Also I was playing poorly and none of my group were making any putts, even a 7 hc who's known as a good putter only made one decent putt. I shot a really high score , and I believe the course was closed before all the later players finished.

The problem for me is that the score dropping out was a competition winning score from a year ago now being replaced by a 9 shot higher from a more recent game. Back before WHS we'd have probably walked in when the heavy rain came and been content to have the .1 addition but there was not even a PCC to help yesterday!

I struggle to see how a score 12 months old should be affecting my handicap today.

 

[clubchamp98]

I've not posted hardly at all here but I've got to say that there are times that WHS really pee's me off. Last week I won our club Stableford with 39 points and got only a .8 cut to 15.5 albeit 39 points was really good in the conditions on the day. Yesterday was an awful day, the course was wet and it rained heavily for a good part of the back 9. Also I was playing poorly and none of my group were making any putts, even a 7 hc who's known as a good putter only made one decent putt. I shot a really high score , and I believe the course was closed before all the later players finished.

The problem for me is that the score dropping out was a competition winning score from a year ago now being replaced by a 9 shot higher from a more recent game. Back before WHS we'd have probably walked in when the heavy rain came and been content to have the .1 addition but there was not even a PCC to help yesterday!

I struggle to see how a score 12 months old should be affecting my handicap today.

It’s a flaw in the system . Imo.
WHS is supposed to show current form.
but will only do that if regular cards are submitted.
a card from 12 months ago hardly shows current form as you say.