WHS doesn't work

[Alan Clifford]

There probably IS, or at least could easily be, one! However, for 99+% of entries, the value would be zero, so understandable why not in the standard ones! And I don't see it as 'changing history' - simply applying rules - that use past results - to calculate a current value!

It shouldn't be too difficult to design an interface that only shows the extraordinary column if it weren't zero.

The thing I don't like is that the differential for past scores becomes a value that is different from the differential that you actually achieved. But it is only a minor gripe compared to say, the England golf system being designed so that the PCC cannot be entered for foreign scores. But both of these problems seem to me to reflect design faults and lack of consumer testing of the systems.

 

[sunshine]

What is a penalty score for WHS purposes?

 

[jim8flog]

What is a penalty score for WHS purposes?

P a g e 19 | Guidance on the rules of handicapping
RULE
7
Committee Actions
G7.1b Applying a Penalty Score


Reason for Penalty Score
Non-valid reason (e.g. memory or not realising a score had to be returned in such situations as injury, failing light, dangerous weather etc.)
A score equivalent to the current Handicap Index should be submitted to the WHS Platform (i.e. an Adjusted Gross Score which would be equivalent to the Course Rating + Course Handicap).

Possible attempt to keep handicap low
A score equivalent to the Adjusted Gross Score of the highest return in the last 20 scores should be submitted to the WHS Platform.

Possible attempt to build a handicap
A score equivalent to the Adjusted Gross Score of the lowest return in the last 20 scores should be submitted to the WHS Platform.

 

[IJames]

It shouldn't be too difficult to design an interface that only shows the extraordinary column if it weren't zero.

The thing I don't like is that the differential for past scores becomes a value that is different from the differential that you actually achieved. But it is only a minor gripe compared to say, the England golf system being designed so that the PCC cannot be entered for foreign scores. But both of these problems seem to me to reflect design faults and lack of consumer testing of the systems.

Hasn't it been used in New Zealand for 20+ years? And it's what Scottish Golf have replaced their failed one with! Hardly design fault, though the overseas PCC might have snuck through a testing net.

 

[rulefan]

Forgive me as i'm new to this.

Shot a Gross 72 / Par 72 course
Course rating 69.7
Slope rating 127.

No problem.
The figure used for Handicap Index calculations is your Score Differential. This does not involve Par at all. It is in effect the difference between your gross score and the Course Rating adjusted for the Slope.
ie Score Differential = (113/Slope) x (Gross - Course Rating).
See Chapter 5.1 of the Manual https://www.randa.org/roh/the-rules-of-handicapping

 

[clubchamp98]

What is a penalty score for WHS purposes?

I got one for not putting a photo of my card on IG.
36 over par.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Top 6 in yesterday’s stableford comp - off whites and playing long - Pts/PHs: 40/24; 38/5; 37/8; 37/9; 36/12; 36/-1

Nothing much wrong there. Even with stacks of shots the higher handicap boys struggled.

 

[AussieKB]

190 in the field and a 16 handicapper shot 1 over par for 51 points.....

and we have had this system for years.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Yesterday at ours - white tees par 70, CR 70.8 and SR 132



It was so boggy and muddy it was non-qualifying for handicap so all the above remain the same handicaps for the next comp.

 

[IanM]

Easy money. Lots of lovely pro shop vouchers!

 

[upsidedown]

105 in Stableford off the yellows yesterday and 4 35's were the best from 2 single figures and 2 off 19

 

[clubchamp98]

190 in the field and a 16 handicapper shot 1 over par for 51 points.....

and we have had this system for years.

Been saying this for a while now.
it’s not the 54 cappers who are the big scorers.

massive shock off the back tees for the first time this year.
delighted with my 36 pts . And 0.4 cut.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

Hasn't it been used in New Zealand for 20+ years? And it's what Scottish Golf have replaced their failed one with! Hardly design fault, though the overseas PCC might have snuck through a testing net.

The software yes, WHS no. The changing differential is a WHS feature, dotgolf haven't caught up with it yet

 

[IJames]

The software yes, WHS no. The changing differential is a WHS feature, dotgolf haven't caught up with it yet

You'll have to explain what the issue is then - as it doesn't seem to be with the software! On the one hand, AC is stating that the differential changes when it shouldn't; on the other, you are saying it's part of WHS, implying it should! Surely after 20+ years, any fundamental bugs would have been found and fixed!

 

[Deleted member 30522]

You'll have to explain what the issue is then - as it doesn't seem to be with the software! On the one hand, AC is stating that the differential changes when it shouldn't; on the other, you are saying it's part of WHS, implying it should! Surely after 20+ years, any fundamental bugs would have been found and fixed!

There was no differential under CONGU, your gross score showed in your record along with the stabelford adjustment if applicable that then showed immediately if you were in or out of buffer, or getting a cut.
With WHS (which only started in 2022) the customer facing software Apps are only showing the differential after any stableford adjustment has been made, your actual gross score is condemned to history. It's just over a year WHS has been live, how long dotgolf have been on the go is irrelevant. And bugs in their system, don't get me started on that, it's appaling at present.

 

[IJames]

There was no differential under CONGU, your gross score showed in your record along with the stabelford adjustment if applicable that then showed immediately if you were in or out of buffer, or getting a cut.
With WHS (which only started in 2022) the customer facing software Apps are only showing the differential after any stableford adjustment has been made, your actual gross score is condemned to history. It's just over a year WHS has been live, how long dotgolf have been on the go is irrelevant. And bugs in their system, don't get me started on that, it's appaling at present.

That doesn't seem like a bug then - just a misinterpretion of a, perhaps ambiguous or poorly labelled, column heading! Speaking of bugs though, according to EG's website, WHS started 2 November 2020!

 

[Deleted member 30522]

That doesn't seem like a bug then - just a misinterpretion of a, perhaps ambiguous or poorly labelled, column heading! Speaking of bugs though, according to EG's website, WHS started 2 November 2020!

That's not a bug, that's just something that hasn't been programmed in, it's an omission.

And yes time flies, 2021 season was the start of WHS

 

[D-S]

There was no differential under CONGU, your gross score showed in your record along with the stabelford adjustment if applicable that then showed immediately if you were in or out of buffer, or getting a cut.
With WHS (which only started in 2022) the customer facing software Apps are only showing the differential after any stableford adjustment has been made, your actual gross score is condemned to history. It's just over a year WHS has been live, how long dotgolf have been on the go is irrelevant. And bugs in their system, don't get me started on that, it's appaling at present.

For handicap purposes only the adjusted gross score is relevant. For gross unadjusted score record surely your Club will have this in their competition history?

 

[Deleted member 30522]

For handicap purposes only the adjusted gross score is relevant. For gross unadjusted score record surely your Club will have this in their competition history?

of course, and I have access to back end so for *me* it's not an issue. But as a player I want to see my scores on the App, not my score after I've been adjusted to death.

 

[Swango1980]

We had a Greensomes comp at the weekend, and I was trying to figure out how "reasonable" the handicap was when comparing to Foursomes. For foursomes, the Hcp is 50% the combined. Greensomes a bit different, 60% of low, 40% of high. However, as both myself and my partner had the same HCP, our handicap would be the same in both formats.

So, comparing 2 scratch golfers (HCP 0 in both formats), 2 10 handicappers (HCP 10 in both formats) and 2 20 handicappers (HCP 20 in both formats), surely Greensomes is favouring the higher handicappers? Foursomes there are no mulligans. Greensomes is essentially Texas Scramble off the tee, then foursomes thereafter. That is bound to benefit the higher handicap teams, who have more shockers off the tee they can wipe out, where scratch golfers may simply be choosing to take one of two perfectly good drives on most holes. I'm not complaining, I'm not a scratch golfer, and so we did well. But, I definitely feel we'd have had a much better advantage over a lower handicap pair, an advantage we'd not have had if it had been Foursomes.