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SwingsitlikeHogan

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Played to my PH yesterday and my HI went up. I’ve got some ‘counting eight’ differentials higher than yesterdays so my 20th historical one must’ve been a better counter. No matter…that’s how it works and I’m ok with that.

Plus for me the big PLUS for me of WHS…9 of my next 10 differentials are non-counters, and so I‘ve got a good long run coming up where I won’t be losing a ‘counter’. Because of that my HI won’t go up whatever I score (ok as a result of one specific round it might) and so can play without the bit of pressure I can feel when I know I’m going to lose one.
 
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It suggests that some hole pars are over egged.

Not something I would agree with without seeing the course.

Our 9 hole course is par 68 and CR 64.5 men (pre WHS SSS 64) I know what the pars are and why. Two of the holes are par 5s and only the very biggest of hitters would even attempt to reach one of them in 2 due the design of the hole although the yardage (428) suggests it is possible and the other par 5 has a yardage of just 437 but is strongly uphill against the predominant wind.
 

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If CONGU opt for CR-Par, as has been mentioned by EG, then your course handicap will reflect the low CR.
I'm not a fan of including Par in the PH calc. It seems to me tht the sum of 'Par's is already included in the CR calc. And it seems wrong to calculate PHs using an attribute that is assigned, and could be changed clerically, compared to a properly measured one. But if the rest of the world is using the method, then......
 

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OK but I would be interested in the total length and hole length/par allocation.
Strathtyrum course St Andrews, part of their links courses up there.
It’s short and open little over 5000 in total. Card says a par 69.
As I said I have no issue with all of this more a lack of awareness or understanding of why they would give so many handicap strokes to me

Edit to add yardage and par
1 327 4
2 319 4
3 149 4
4 256 4
5 451 5
6 120 4
7 290 4
8 160 3
9 340 4
2412 34

10 292 4
11 442 5
12 312 4
13 143 3
14 312 4
15 265 4
16 120 3
17 321 4
18 385 4
2592 35
5004 69
 
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Strathtyrum course St Andrews, part of their links courses up there.
It’s short and open little over 5000 in total. Card says a par 69.
As I said I have no issue with all of this more a lack of awareness or understanding of why they would give so many handicap strokes to me

Edit to add yardage and par
1 327 4
2 319 4
3 149 4
4 256 4
5 451 5
6 120 4
7 290 4
8 160 3
9 340 4
2412 34

10 292 4
11 442 5
12 312 4
13 143 3
14 312 4
15 265 4
16 120 3
17 321 4
18 385 4
2592 35
5004 69
yardages or pars for 3rd and 6th holes look curious…also maybe 11th.
 

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Not sure if this has been covered in the last 86 pages…but….
I had, what I thought was a decent round yesterday, I’m an 8.4 cap at the moment and shot a 72 round a par 69, however, the slope of the course is 101 and course rating is 63.4, putting my scoring differential up at 9.6. Now I’m fine with that, it is an easy course. What is really confusing for me is when you calculate my playing handicap round there it gives me 7 shots, I effectively score -4 under my playing handicap, yet shoot over for my HCI. To have made effective par against my HCI I would have needed to shoot probably a 71, so why would my course handicap not be 2? Why give me 7 shots?
It’s confusing me
You get shots in comparison with your fellow competitors for a fair and equitable game.
You do not get shots against the course.
Your handicap is relevant to the comparison with your fellow competitors only.
Against the course you have no handicap.
Your net score is not relevant to handicap adjustment. It was in the old system. Now it is gross score that is used.
 
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Strathtyrum course St Andrews, part of their links courses up there.
It’s short and open little over 5000 in total. Card says a par 69.
As I said I have no issue with all of this more a lack of awareness or understanding of why they would give so many handicap strokes to me

Edit to add yardage and par

3 149 4
5 451 5
6 120 4
11 442 5
I would suggest these are iffy.
 

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strathtyrum_card-300x208.jpg
The Database gives different tee colours to the card

Black
Male
69
66.2
107



Blue
Male
69
63.4
101


Green
Male
69
62
99
 
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It seems the hole pars have been set according to the length of the white tees which would explain the large difference.
"shot a 72 round a par 69, however, the slope of the course is 101 and course rating is 63.4, "

Would (CR-Par) make sense?
 
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