WHS doesn't work

[Imurg]

It’s designed to stop bandits.
But catches genuine golfers having a good day.

But you don't go up if you have a poor score......cherry picking scores to get handicaps down without movement the other way...
Sounds perfectly reasonable.........

 

[Orikoru]

It’s designed to stop bandits.
But catches genuine golfers having a good day.

Bandits gonna bandit whatever you do! Honestly I've just heard about this and I think it's absolute lunacy. It made sense to me if the whole card was filled out for both players (the downside of that would mean putting out though when unnecessary for the match though).

 

[clubchamp98]

But you don't go up if you have a poor score......cherry picking scores to get handicaps down without movement the other way...
Sounds perfectly reasonable.........

It’s a poor system imo.
So many things about it just don’t seem right.

 

[clubchamp98]

Bandits gonna bandit whatever you do! Honestly I've just heard about this and I think it's absolute lunacy. It made sense to me if the whole card was filled out for both players (the downside of that would mean putting out though when unnecessary for the match though).

It’s for bandits that don’t put cards in then clean up in 4bbb .
Crazy imo.

 

[Swango1980]

It's like the introduction of VAR in football. After much demand, it seemed a great idea at the time. But by the time the authorities introduce it, it is an absolute mess

 

[D-S]

I could be wrong of course...

You are right. However, the computer system is up the spout at the moment so I wouldn’t trust the score that actually goes on to your partner’s record until at least the middle of next week. There is a glitch between your clubs comp software and EG’s handicap software that is supposedly being fixed by Monday evening. Time will tell.
It would have been a lot easier if EG had suspended 4BB acceptable scores from the moment they knew about this a couple of weeks ago until they fixed it, but, as it is, a lot of people will be playing off potentially incorrect handicaps in the meantime.

 

[Tractor Wheal]

Played in a 4BBB Stableford today, me and my partner scored 44 points.

If I'm reading the new WHS instructions correctly, if one or both of us scores on 9 holes or more then we can potentially be cut.

My partner scored on 10 and I scored on 8 so does that mean only he can be cut?

I ask as while he scored 21 points on 10 holes, I scored 23 points on 8 holes, seems a bit of a failing if he gets cut and I don't.

Unless your partner has a CH over 30 I would be surprised if he received a SD for this.
My rationale is the most he gets added to from your scores is 8 * 1.5, so 21 + 12 = 33.
Roughly (or perhaps exactly) the other 15% of the 85% are added back. It's only more than 36 points that gets an SD.

Interested to know what actually happens.

 

[Backsticks]

But that's mental. When they said 4BBB scores can count I assumed that it meant if the whole or majority of the scorecard was actually filled in for that player. i.e. you record their score for each hole not just the holes where they've scored for the team.

Statistically, it is robust. But against the instinct and beyond the non statistician foitsoldier golfer to understand. This is WHS,s major failing. It does indeed, seem, crazy. Even if it insnt, if you seem crazy, you may as well be crazy, so have no credibility.

 

[Backsticks]

It’s a poor system imo.
So many things about it just don’t seem right.

Similar comment. Dont seem right. But are. Thus no trust of confidence.
Get back point one. Get cut for proportional to shots better than CSS. People understood that. WHS, too convoluted to waste time understanding = system failure.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Both players should have whatever the score is added to their record. Saves a lot of confusion.

 

[Imurg]

You are right. However, the computer system is up the spout at the moment

So.....are we saying, as of right now, at least part of WHS doesn't work.....?

 

[IanM]

There's a basic principle in golf going back 100s of years.... your handicap is based on what you scored!!

But, given the state of what goes on in pairs/team events, something had to be done. No need to cut them, just put them on a banned list

 

[clubchamp98]

There's a basic principle in golf going back 100s of years.... your handicap is based on what you scored!!

But, given the state of what goes on in pairs/team events, something had to be done. No need to cut them, just put them on a banned list

With all this computer wizardry all they need to do is have a singles handicap and a 4bbb handicap .
This will catch the bandits who don’t play singles comps.

We have a few now another won’t make much difference.

 

[D-S]

With all this computer wizardry all they need to do is have a singles handicap and a 4bbb handicap .

.....and a team handicap (maybe the same as the 4BB one). There a lot of 2 out of 3 or 2 out of 4 Opens around here and the results are just eye watering - these ultra bandits won't be cut with the new system and maybe this is where the 4BB bandits will gravitate towards.

 

[D-S]

So.....are we saying, as of right now, at least part of WHS doesn't work.....?

Definitely - Expected Score is still hit and miss and will impact a few player's handicaps this weekend too.

 

[clubchamp98]

.....and a team handicap (maybe the same as the 4BB one). There a lot of 2 out of 3 or 2 out of 4 Opens around here and the results are just eye watering - these ultra bandits won't be cut with the new system and maybe this is where the 4BB bandits will gravitate towards.

Yes it’s a joke .

If we go to an open day at another course now we’re just going for a day out to enjoy the golf.!
The days of four single figure teams winning anything are well and truly over.

 

[Springveldt]

An old computer (machine) acronym, GIGO. Garbage In, Gospel Out.

I’ve told plenty of project managers my acronym of SISO when they have handed me a functional spec.

Sheet in Sheet out.

 

[D-S]

I have a simpler solution to the 4BB and team bandit issue.

Limit the per person 1st prize to perhaps double the per person entry fee, maybe even lower or do away with any cash value prizes entirely merely a tankard or something, at best a free four ball at the club. I remember playing well, winning or being in the frame long after the umbrella or dozen balls etc. have disappeared. That's all I need.

 

[Backsticks]

Id love to know where this handicap virus on wanting every time you go near a golf course, it counts for your handicap, came from. Did it escape from a laboratory in Wuhan.

The next modification is having an expected score calculated by the AI if you hit balls at any Toptracer driving range. OK, you have to hit a minimum of 40 ball, and have used at least 4 different clubs, but still.

Whatever was wrong with qualifying scores being competition ones only, and the hc committee having range to adjust those putting in a run of good scores in fourballs, scrambles ?

Again, WHS - The solution to a problem that didnt exist.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Because management are dealing with 2 groups who are complaining at them, so are trying to find a middle ground to save themselves a load of hassle.

Club recognises that the formal organised aspect of my roll up has only come around as a result of tee booking system. My roll up does not book me onto a tee and I don’t book myself. A tee is allocated on the day by the draw done by the organizer. The 1:4 is a compromise. The main compromises are that the roll up has forfeited the ability to have a tee time available for folks turning up on the day and latecomers entering, and our first tee time slipping from 10:30 to 11:00