WHS doesn't work

[clubchamp98]

Its very difficult to prove, there are these types everywhere. They know the system and how to work it. Even in competitions they can still manipulate their score but how do you prove it, this is why handicap committees are fairly powerless to do anything. You can cut them but you have to first inform them and they can appeal it and then go to the County who would need proof of wrong doing.

But we still went ahead and adopted a system that makes it easier to manipulate your handicap If that way inclined.

you couldn’t make it up.

 

[rulefan]

But we still went ahead and adopted a system that makes it easier to manipulate your handicap If that way inclined.

you couldn’t make it up.

IMO it is not the fundamental system that makes it easier; after all Supplementary Scores had been available for some years under the UHS.
The problem is the way in which the ISVs have designed their front end data entry software. Virtually no verification process.

 

[D-S]

IMO it is not the fundamental system that makes it easier; after all Supplementary Scores had been available for some years under the UHS.

Just because UHS had supplementary scores and gradually reduced the restrictions on them, it doesn't mean that they were 'right' in doing so - nor that WHS should have adopted and encouraged them so freely with little oversight, unless you have an active and zealous Handicap Committee at every club.

 

[nickjdavis]

IMO it is not the fundamental system that makes it easier; after all Supplementary Scores had been available for some years under the UHS.
The problem is the way in which the ISVs have designed their front end data entry software. Virtually no verification process.

you cant just level that accusation against the ISV's though. The MyEG app has been similarly flawed from the beginning.

 

[sunshine]

You should be flattered if you think he's spent 3 years manipulating his handicap just to beat you in a club matchplay comp.

Love this reply.

My HI has gone up 4.3 since WHS came in. I'm just lulling everyone into a false sense of security so I can pounce and walk away with the October Stableford.

 

[Dando]

Its very difficult to prove, there are these types everywhere. They know the system and how to work it. Even in competitions they can still manipulate their score but how do you prove it, this is why handicap committees are fairly powerless to do anything. You can cut them but you have to first inform them and they can appeal it and then go to the County who would need proof of wrong doing.

As I put in the golf Random irritations, a guy at our place openly admitted to never putting
In cards at our place as he doesn’t want it to mess up his chances in opens - he won a Scotty last week

 

[wjemather]

Just because UHS had supplementary scores and gradually reduced the restrictions on them, it doesn't mean that they were 'right' in doing so - nor that WHS should have adopted and encouraged them so freely with little oversight, unless you have an active and zealous Handicap Committee at every club.

Removing supplementary/general play restrictions was absolutely the right thing to do. There remains an illogical fixation in GB&I on handicaps being based solely on formal individual stroke play competitions when that forms a very small proportion of the golf that is played.

 

[wjemather]

As I put in the golf Random irritations, a guy at our place openly admitted to never putting
In cards at our place as he doesn’t want it to mess up his chances in opens - he won a Scotty last week

I'm sure your handicap committee would be delighted to learn of this so they can investigate further.

 

[Dando]

I'm sure your handicap committee would be delighted to learn of this so they can investigate further.

We haven’t got one

 

[wjemather]

We haven’t got one

Your club should organise one asap, or contact their county union if they require assistance with forming one. Clubs that do not meet their contractual handicapping responsibilities risk having their ability to award handicaps revoked and all members' handicaps suspended.

 

[D-S]

Removing supplementary/general play restrictions was absolutely the right thing to do. There remains an illogical fixation in GB&I on handicaps being based solely on formal individual stroke play competitions when that forms a very small proportion of the golf that is played.

Nothing wrong with that if there is sufficient oversight - sadly there isn’t always.

 

[RichA]

As I put in the golf Random irritations, a guy at our place openly admitted to never putting
In cards at our place as he doesn’t want it to mess up his chances in opens - he won a Scotty last week

No wonder he feels the need to cheat. If the prizes for weekend comps at a local recreational golf club are £400 putters then you need to cheat to beat the other cheats.
When all that's at stake is a sleeve of Srixon balls we all seem to trust each other a bit more.

 

[D-S]

Your club should organise one asap, or contact their county union if they require assistance with forming one. Clubs that do not meet their contractual handicapping responsibilities risk having their ability to award handicaps revoked and all members' handicaps suspended.

This is always the threat and the risk, however I have never heard of it being done - have others?

 

[wjemather]

This is always the threat and the risk, however I have never heard of it being done - have others?

Counties will always offer help in remediating the situation first. However, I know of a couple of clubs where official handicapping is likely to be a thing of the past fairly soon.

 

[Dando]

No wonder he feels the need to cheat. If the prizes for weekend comps at a local recreational golf club are £400 putters then you need to cheat to beat the other cheats.
When all that's at stake is a sleeve of Srixon balls we all seem to trust each other a bit more.

He was off 5 so he’s a good golfer but probably closer to scratch

 

[D-S]

Counties will always offer help in remediating the situation first. However, I know of a couple of clubs where official handicapping is likely to be a thing of the past fairly soon.

Of course counties do, however as I said the threat has never been carried out to my knowledge - unless someone can tell me otherwise?
Nevertheless we can all name some failing clubs in this respect. I sincerely hope that your second sentence comes true, of course if warranted, and please advise us if it does.

 

[woofers]

Of course counties do, however as I said the threat has never been carried out to my knowledge - unless someone can tell me otherwise?

Yes, a county in the south withdrew the handicaps of a player and an attester for a number of months.

 

[D-S]

Yes, a county in the south withdrew the handicaps of a player and an attester for a number of months.

I was talking about an entire club due to the poor performance of a handicap committee not just one or two players.
As per the following quote from an earlier poster - “I know of a couple of clubs where official handicapping is likely to be a thing of the past fairly soon.”

 

[woofers]

I was talking about an entire club due to the poor performance of a handicap committee not just one or two players.
As per the following quote from an earlier poster - “I know of a couple of clubs where official handicapping is likely to be a thing of the past fairly soon.”

Apologies for the misunderstanding.

 

[wjemather]

Of course counties do, however as I said the threat has never been carried out to my knowledge - unless someone can tell me otherwise?
Nevertheless we can all name some failing clubs in this respect. I sincerely hope that your second sentence comes true, of course if warranted, and please advise us if it does.

Boyle and Portumna golf clubs in Ireland have both served suspensions for handicapping irregularities - before WHS, but the principle hasn't changed.