WHS doesn't work

[IanM]

Lol, lots.

Does the app work if his mate is not in the vicinity of the course to attest the score??

Played at Woking in the week. Put a gen play card in. I had to enter the market's CDH in to attest the score.

I wonder if he wasn't "there" would it have worked, would he have got a message? I similarly marked his card. I didn't get anything to say I had a card to approve. Just signed on the screen.

Now he has my cdh, can he use it as as a marker without me knowing? What does his club see?

 

[Deleted member 29109]

It’s no different to any of the other rules of golf they are often ignored.

Played a guy this weekend in a knockout match. As well as the obvious attempts at gamesmanship. He also repeatedly tee’d the ball in front of the markers. Touched the sand in a couple of bunkers, touched his ball to ‘identify’ it and stood on the grass behind his ball in the rough.

I mentioned the teeing up the first time then couldn’t be bothered, after the first time I saw him tread grass down, I stood next to him every shot, you could see he was desperate for me to walk away.

I suspect there are whole groups of players like this who don’t think they are doing anything wrong.

 

[woofers]

On the EG App the geographic locator currently only works for the player, not the attester.
I have been informed that England Golf are aware of this and it is “on the list” of things to sort out.

 

[Alan Clifford]

Played in a B team match yesterday, on the first hole I conceded a putt and the guy said "I'll need to putt out as I'm doing a card" !!!!

In the clubhouse he then says "I've just text my mate and he's attested my score and I think I'll go down a bit".

I'm not convinced he actually putted out every single tap in putt.

Any problems with the above?

If you conceded a putt, it must have been a matchplay. Depending on the jurisdiction you are playing in, or the jurisdiction where your handicap is held, the round may or may not have been eligible for handicap purposes. With an England Golf handicap played in England, the round is not eligible.

 

[rosecott]

If you conceded a putt, it must have been a matchplay. Depending on the jurisdiction you are playing in, or the jurisdiction where your handicap is held, the round may or may not have been eligible for handicap purposes. With an England Golf handicap played in England, the round is not eligible.

Not entirely so. It is up to the individual club to decide whether or not to allow the combination of matchplay and singles strokeplay for handicap.

 

[IanM]

I think if anyone wanted to "put in a card" playing matchplay against me, I would "accidentally" pick their ball up and throw it back to them.

I would of course apologise and say its so weird to be marking a matchplay round as if it were Strokeplay!

 

[Alan Clifford]

Not entirely so. It is up to the individual club to decide whether or not to allow the combination of matchplay and singles strokeplay for handicap.

Do you have link to the url for this rule please?

 

[rosecott]

Do you have link to the url for this rule please?

GUIDANCE ON THE WHS RULES OF HANDICAPPING AS APPLIED WITHIN GB&I (englandgolf.org)

G2.1/2 Scores When Stroke Play And Match Play Are Played Concurrently The Rules of Golf do not expressly prohibit the playing of a match whilst concurrently playing in a stroke play competition, but the guidance in Committee Procedures 6C (12) discourages such practice. CONGU® concurs with this view and strongly recommends Committees to ensure that their Terms of the Competition make it clear if and when such practice may be permissible. If such practice is sanctioned, the Rules of the stroke play event must prevail in order for the score to be acceptable for handicapping purposes.

 

[rulefan]

Played in a B team match yesterday, on the first hole I conceded a putt and the guy said "I'll need to putt out as I'm doing a card" !!!!

In the clubhouse he then says "I've just text my mate and he's attested my score and I think I'll go down a bit".

I'm not convinced he actually putted out every single tap in putt.

Any problems with the above?

In the light of post #2674, had the Committee sanctioned this?

 

[Kennysarmy]

In the light of post #2674, had the Committee sanctioned this?

I presume you mean my home club committee not his home club committee?
I doubt they would have even thought it necessary to send out a notification to the effect.

I'm now in a tricky situation as to make a fuss could cause some bad feeling between our club and the visiting club.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

Not entirely so. It is up to the individual club to decide whether or not to allow the combination of matchplay and singles strokeplay for handicap.

Sorry, it is up to the club whether to allow a match to be played concurrently with a medal round. This was not a medal round, it was a match, and under WHS, in the UK countries, matchplay is not an eligible form of qualifying score

 

[Deleted member 30522]

GUIDANCE ON THE WHS RULES OF HANDICAPPING AS APPLIED WITHIN GB&I (englandgolf.org)

G2.1/2 Scores When Stroke Play And Match Play Are Played Concurrently The Rules of Golf do not expressly prohibit the playing of a match whilst concurrently playing in a stroke play competition, but the guidance in Committee Procedures 6C (12) discourages such practice. CONGU® concurs with this view and strongly recommends Committees to ensure that their Terms of the Competition make it clear if and when such practice may be permissible. If such practice is sanctioned, the Rules of the stroke play event must prevail in order for the score to be acceptable for handicapping purposes.

As per my post above, this was not a strokeplay competition, it was matchplay and an attempt at a GP round, which is a different matter as far as WHS goes

 

[nickjdavis]

It’s no different to any of the other rules of golf they are often ignored.

Played a guy this weekend in a knockout match. As well as the obvious attempts at gamesmanship. He also repeatedly tee’d the ball in front of the markers. Touched the sand in a couple of bunkers, touched his ball to ‘identify’ it and stood on the grass behind his ball in the rough.

I mentioned the teeing up the first time then couldn’t be bothered, after the first time I saw him tread grass down, I stood next to him every shot, you could see he was desperate for me to walk away.

I suspect there are whole groups of players like this who don’t think they are doing anything wrong.

I'd have let him tee off...every time he hit one anywhere other than into trouble, I'd have asked him to replay the shot. He'd have soon got the message.

 

[rosecott]

Sorry, it is up to the club whether to allow a match to be played concurrently with a medal round. This was not a medal round, it was a match, and under WHS, in the UK countries, matchplay is not an eligible form of qualifying score

That was why I said "not necessarily so". I was pointing out the possibility of combining matchplay and strokeplay to count for handicap in certain circumstances.

 

[Golfist]

Can we all just agree that WHS is completely rubbish.

Would anyone be interested in an alternative system being set-up?

 

[jim8flog]

Can we all just agree that WHS is completely rubbish.

Would anyone be interested in an alternative system being set-up?

sorry I do not agree.

I for one prefer the new system compared to the old

It has it failings but so did the UHS.

 

[rulefan]

Can we all just agree that WHS is completely rubbish.

Would anyone be interested in an alternative system being set-up?

Post the specification and we can give you an answer.

 

[wjemather]

Can we all just agree that WHS is completely rubbish.

Would anyone be interested in an alternative system being set-up?

No. WHS is the most equitable handicap system we've ever seen.

Any alternative system would have to mean an improvement in equity, not simplicity.

 

[IanM]

Can we all just agree that WHS is completely rubbish.

Would anyone be interested in an alternative system being set-up?

Rather than "rubbish" maybe it's just the difference and implications of the difference that causes the turbulence!

I've said my piece on the rest.

 

[IanM]

No. WHS is the most equitable handicap system we've ever seen.

If you forget the massive diversity in how people approach general play cards and how much easier it is now is to fiddle!

I've said my piece on the rest.

Ooops!