WHS doesn't work

[RichA]

Just checked our comp results for sat.
30 pts was 123rd , 36 pts was 80th.
192 played.

At ours on Saturday 30 points came 11th. 36 came 4th. 30 entrants.
We only had 180 players all weekend and half of those were people playing both days.
Our average comp has about 30 entrants. A smaller club has many benefits.

 

[clubchamp98]

Still not giving up the necessary information then.

I just have.
still won’t put your manual down then!

 

[clubchamp98]

At ours on Saturday 30 points came 11th. 36 came 4th. 30 entrants.
We only had 180 players all weekend and half of those were people playing both days.
Our average comp has about 30 entrants. A smaller club has many benefits.

Where’s your CR, Par ,Sr.
you will be getting told off!

 

[RichA]

Where’s your CR, Par ,Sr.
you will be getting told off!

CR 71.9, Par 71, SR 114.
Slope rating is "average" due to sparsity of water and only a couple of bunkers per hole.
However, it's 6600 yards over hilly terrain so it's quite challenging for the less talented golfers such as myself. An actual talented scratch golfer recently got the course record with a 66, although that was off the yellow tees, so only 6400 yards.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Stableford (and nett) scores on their own are meaningless (until April next year), and they don't mean anything to anyone who doesn't make sweeping assumptions. Without knowing course and slope ratings, par for the course, handicap distribution of the field, etc., it's simply impossible to make an intelligent judgement on bare scores; 36 points could be 4 better than handicap, or it could be 4 worse - who knows?

I suppose, from the information given, we could guess that your course has a low CR relative to par and Rich's has a high CR relative to par, but why should we guess when you could simply include the necessary detail?

Even after April next year, stableford points on their own will be misleading without mentioning handicaps, since low handicaps play with a PH the same as CH and higher up the scale players are scoring stableford points with a PH that is 1, 2 or 3 shots lower than CH.
You know that of course. I'm mentioning it for the sake of all the no-ones who will never think the way I do.

 

[Swango1980]

As I said “ it wasn’t meant for you”
If someone asks you how you played today do you tell them the Slope rating and CR relative to par before you say “ 36 pts”?

On reflection you probably do.
par 72
Cr 71.7
SR 129

In fairness, I feel this type of conversation you've been having is a good example where bring CR-Par is a good thing.

You, like others, have obviously referenced scores in Stableford points (or could be done relative to nett par), which is often used to illustrate how good (or bad) scores are in a competition, or from a specific player.

However, wjemather makes a fair point. Those scores tell us nothing if we do not know the details he requested. It is not a case of living by the Manual, it is essentially necessary if we are to make a conclusion as to how good those scores are.

Once CR-Par is included, then you probably won't need to worry about such questions being put to you. It might shorten a few of the threads, but not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[RichA]

Perhaps I'm giving them to much benefit of doubt, I always thought in golf it should be everyone's aim to lower one's handicap & improve.

I'm a recreational club golfers. My aim is always to get the best score I can but it's mostly just about enjoyment. My handicap is what it is - it reflects how I've been playing but I don't think of it as something I can control.

 

[Steve Wilkes]

Just checked our comp results for sat.
30 pts was 123rd , 36 pts was 80th.
192 played.

Looks about right, average was 80th out of 192

 

[Deleted member 29109]

I'm a recreational club golfers. My aim is always to get the best score I can but it's mostly just about enjoyment. My handicap is what it is - it reflects how I've been playing but I don't think of it as something I can control.

I’m the same. I rarely enter comps outside some Monthly Medals and match play knockouts.

The people who take ‘competitive’ golf seriously seem to be the ones who have a problem with scoring.

 

[Voyager EMH]

In fairness, I feel this type of conversation you've been having is a good example where bring CR-Par is a good thing.

You, like others, have obviously referenced scores in Stableford points (or could be done relative to nett par), which is often used to illustrate how good (or bad) scores are in a competition, or from a specific player.

However, wjemather makes a fair point. Those scores tell us nothing if we do not know the details he requested. It is not a case of living by the Manual, it is essentially necessary if we are to make a conclusion as to how good those scores are.

Once CR-Par is included, then you probably won't need to worry about such questions being put to you. It might shorten a few of the threads, but not necessarily a bad thing.

There will still be the case after CR-Par is introduced, that a low handicapper scoring 36 points could be achieving a SD close to HI, but a 38 handicapper scoring 36 points in the same competition is likely to be achieving a SD much lower than HI.
But "no one" will be thinking about this apparently. No one.

 

[Swango1980]

There will still be the case after CR-Par is introduced, that a low handicapper scoring 36 points could be achieving a SD close to HI, but a 38 handicapper scoring 36 points in the same competition is likely to be achieving a SD much lower than HI.
But "no one" will be thinking about this apparently. No one.

I'm wondering how many years after CR-Par is introduced that you will finally let it go? You put in a lot of effort talking about something you admit will not effect you anyway

 

[IanM]

Is this supposed to mean anything?

Then you could be in quite a small group who didn't guage the inference.

 

[Voyager EMH]

I'm wondering how many years after CR-Par is introduced that you will finally let it go? You put in a lot of effort talking about something you admit will not effect you anyway

Because I have little concern for my own wants and desires and am more concerned about facts.

 

[Swango1980]

Because I have little concern for my own wants and desires and am more concerned about facts.

Good. Then you'll understand the fact that most of the world currently use CR-Par, and the fact that the UK will look to follow soon.

And, it appears that the UK authorities are not concerned that the change will adversely effect how golfers in the UK understand or use the system. And I'm sure golfers in the rest of the world have seemed to cope with it very well. Another good fact to be aware of.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Good. Then you'll understand the fact that most of the world currently use CR-Par, and the fact that the UK will look to follow soon.

And, it appears that the UK authorities are not concerned that the change will adversely effect how golfers in the UK understand or use the system. And I'm sure golfers in the rest of the world have seemed to cope with it very well. Another good fact to be aware of.

Thank you for pointing out the reality that I am fully aware of already.
I continue to hold the view that CR-Par is an addition to the system that is unnecessary.
It is a fact that I hold this view.
There is no right view and no wrong view with regard to CR-Par. There are different views.
I merely have a view that is different from many other people.
If you find this irritating, then you will have to live with being irritated by the fact that someone can have a view that is different from your view, even if yours is a majority view.

It would be a very boring forum indeed if 99% of posts were people agreeing with each others views.
I like the fact that different views on subjects and topics exist.

 

[Alan Clifford]

That would largely depend on individual courses.
Ours, with bog like conditions in winter & uncutable rough even with prefered lies is not conducive to anything like decent golf.
Which is why I don't get the mindset of some individuals.
Sure still go out & have a game, but qualifiers?
Perhaps I'm giving them to much benefit of doubt, I always thought in golf it should be everyone's aim to lower one's handicap & improve.
Maybe a certain section at my club (with a few exceptions) are just happy to see their handicaps rise well above their real ability in better weather?
Anyway, the net result is, I'll just leave them too it & play off the longest tees in comps.

But if the wrinklies play every day in winter, their handicaps soon become appropriate for the winter conditions. And return, even faster, in Spring to Spring conditions.

 

[clubchamp98]

In fairness, I feel this type of conversation you've been having is a good example where bring CR-Par is a good thing.

You, like others, have obviously referenced scores in Stableford points (or could be done relative to nett par), which is often used to illustrate how good (or bad) scores are in a competition, or from a specific player.

However, wjemather makes a fair point. Those scores tell us nothing if we do not know the details he requested. It is not a case of living by the Manual, it is essentially necessary if we are to make a conclusion as to how good those scores are.

Once CR-Par is included, then you probably won't need to worry about such questions being put to you. It might shorten a few of the threads, but not necessarily a bad thing.

Imho.
the only people who ask me what I scored on a particular day are playing in the comp with me.
so my score is relative to them on that day.
so I don’t need to tell them anything else Except my score .
its relative to their score on the day.


I think most golfers think like me ( I might be wrong though) if you ask them how they played they will tell you what they scored NOTHING ELSE.

It was just an off the cuff comment to another poster as to where 30 pts finished in our comp “,not the Spanish Inquisition “

But being told I need to understand handicapping a bit more is at best condescending.
Hes done it many times and now I think it’s deliberate.

 

[Voyager EMH]

But if the wrinklies play every day in winter, their handicaps soon become appropriate for the winter conditions. And return, even faster, in Spring to Spring conditions.

My handicap is based on 6 scores from August and September last year and 27/05/23 and 1/06/23.
I think this is fairly typical at my club - wrinklies, whippersnappers, etc.

 

[Alan Clifford]

My handicap is based on 6 scores from August and September last year and 27/05/23 and 1/06/23.
I think this is fairly typical at my club - wrinklies, whippersnappers, etc.

Your're doing it wrong.

 

[rulefan]

Your're doing it wrong.

If they are his best 8, why?