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[IanM]

Looks like I should have got into "Handicap Board manufacturing!"

...this time next year we'll be millionaires Rodney!

 

[wjemather]

Argh! I can't even remember what the CR-Par conversation was about! At least we'll be properly briefed ahead of it by our Home Unions!

Communication flow: national unions → county unions → golf clubs → players

 

[IanM]

Communication flow: national unions → county unions → golf clubs → players

In theory.

Professional opinion. "To many layers to perform an effective process."

 

[Voyager EMH]

That isn't really the point but in any case, we don't (yet) have [CR-Par] in the CH calculation whereas the rest of the world does, so if you want to be pedantic, the adjusted gross in GB&I isn't the same as anywhere else.

There are more than a dozen variances in the WHS options that have been adopted across jurisdictions that make insignificant differences to the number that matters - Handicap Index.

I was not being pedantic, merely factual with regard to Australian Playing Handicap and Score Differential.
Whether you are being pedantic with this post, I will leave to other readers. I do not believe you are, merely expressing your view, as I was.

Is the fact that in Australia players will be "picking up" according to their 93% Playing Handicap compared with players in GB who will be doing so according to Course Handicap, one of those dozen "insignificant differences" you mention?
Would it be an insignificant change if for GB the adjusted gross double bogey limit was according to Playing Handicap instead of Course Handicap?

 

[Swango1980]

In theory.

Professional opinion. "To many layers to perform an effective process."

The layers are probably necessary. I don't think the person in charge at England Golf can phone every golfer in England, discuss the changes and answer any questions they have. Probably easier to spread the word by having those layers. And also making information available online.

Would there be a more efficient way to get the word out there?

 

[wjemather]

Is the fact that in Australia players will be "picking up" according to their 93% Playing Handicap compared with players in GB who will be doing so according to Course Handicap, one of those dozen "insignificant differences" you mention?
Would it be an insignificant change if for GB the adjusted gross double bogey limit was according to Playing Handicap instead of Course Handicap?

Yes, it's an insignificant difference.
Yes, it would be an insignificant change.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

I'm sure it will be well communicated to clubs, especially as they'll need to update boards.

It will then be mainly down to clubs to communicate it to members. How well that is done will probably be quite variable from club to club.

The new boards cost thousands as well, which is crazy considering they can’t decide which ones we should have.

 

[D-S]

The new boards cost thousands as well, which is crazy considering they can’t decide which ones we should have.

It’s only the transfer applied to the board, not the whole structure, relatively cheap.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Don't suppose it will cost me much to replace the bit of paper I keep in my scorecard holder.

132 white
127 yellow

 

[Backsticks]

The new boards cost thousands as well, which is crazy considering they can’t decide which ones we should have.

Does anyone ever look at boards ??? Who ? Why ? They are an unsightly monstrosity.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Does anyone ever look at boards ??? Who ? Why ? They are an unsightly monstrosity.

Of course they do, they tell you your course handicap based on your index.

Or you can use your mobile and search your handicap on the app. But I suspect you haven’t progressed to the new mobile phones.

 

[D-S]

Does anyone ever look at boards ??? Who ? Why ? They are an unsightly monstrosity.

For some reason, many, mainly Seniors, seem to have to consult them before every round.

 

[Voyager EMH]

For some reason, many, mainly Seniors, seem to have to consult them before every round.

Whereas the younger people, instead of looking at a large easy to read board, prefer to look at a small electronic device to do the same thing.

 

[IanM]

Does anyone ever look at boards ??? Who ? Why ? They are an unsightly monstrosity.

On the tee every time your HI changes and each time you visit a new course. Quite often.

Living on the border, I can't get English courses on my golf app

 

[Swango1980]

Does anyone ever look at boards ??? Who ? Why ? They are an unsightly monstrosity.

I do. Usually before matchplay, or on the days the scorecard printer isn't working before a comp.

 

[upsidedown]

Does anyone ever look at boards ??? Who ? Why ? They are an unsightly monstrosity.

Unfortunately no mobile signal by our first tee , so very useful for visitors and forgetful members

 

[tobybarker]

Firstly it about understanding that Handicap Index reflects your ability and not your Course or Playing Handicap

The following figures are approximate only

So if we take 3 golfers with Handicap Indexes of 10, 20 and 30 there is a 10 shot difference between each of their abilities.

When slope is applied
the 10 may become 11
the 20 22
the 30 33.
So they now no longer have a 10 shot difference between each of them

If 95% is applied
the 10 is 11
the 20 is 21
the 30 is 31

so the difference in their abilities is maintained/restored back to 10.

lol so we got back to where we started......

 

[D-S]

Whereas the younger people, instead of looking at a large easy to read board, prefer to look at a small electronic device to do the same thing.

To know what one‘s handicap index is, if it has possibly changed recently, people need to look at a small screen or a large screen in the clubhouse - this same small or large screen, certainly on IG or the EG App, tells you what your Course Handicap off any given tee is - no need to look at the board. If there is no reason for it to have changed then your CH is the same as last time.
The boards are useful at away courses though if you know your HI and do not have access to a small or large screen.

 

[Swango1980]

Firstly it about understanding that Handicap Index reflects your ability and not your Course or Playing Handicap

The following figures are approximate only

So if we take 3 golfers with Handicap Indexes of 10, 20 and 30 there is a 10 shot difference between each of their abilities.

When slope is applied
the 10 may become 11
the 20 22
the 30 33.
So they now no longer have a 10 shot difference between each of them

If 95% is applied
the 10 is 11
the 20 is 21
the 30 is 31

so the difference in their abilities is maintained/restored back to 10.

Only just saw this, but not sure what you were getting at (and the maths has been pointed out as wrong)?

Clearly, the Playing Handicaps job is not to ensure the difference in Indexes is retained, as it doesn't. And, if it did, why have a course handicap at all, just get everyone to play off their Index. Also, if the role is to keep the Index differences the same, for what reason would they be increased in singles match play?

The reason for the 95% is relatively simple. A player's handicap is made up of the average of their top 8. High handicappers would have a bigger spread of those 8 scores, and so could shoot a greater amount under their average on their best day. If 100% was used, then the odds of a higher handicap winning increase, especially for large fields as there is a greater chance one of those higher handicappers will shoot around their best round in 20. The manual does recommend the 95% is applied for large field sizes (30 or more from memory), although our national authority make it compulsory for all field sizes.

 

[Alan Clifford]

The reason for the 95% is relatively simple. A player's handicap is made up of the average of their top 8. High handicappers would have a bigger spread of those 8 scores, and so could shoot a greater amount under their average on their best day. If 100% was used, then the odds of a higher handicap winning increase, especially for large fields as there is a greater chance one of those higher handicappers will shoot around their best round in 20. The manual does recommend the 95% is applied for large field sizes (30 or more from memory), although our national authority make it compulsory for all field sizes.

Just put it all in the course handicap. Along with the course rating