WHS doesn't work

[nickjdavis]

Led to believe that yes to the above. The databases will be talking to each other.

a few in our society our heading to Scotland next week so going to test it

Hope so....I'm playing up there next month in an Open. Might even test the GP functionality and see if my Scottish mate can attest to my score!!

 

[IanM]

Wales Golf have now posted the same notice. I'm in Devon next week, so can test.

 

[Alan Clifford]

Is there any way around this ? Genuine question.
similar to a VPN is it to view content from another part of the world.
I am not very tech savvy but imagine some genius could get around this.

Yes.

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[Alan Clifford]

That second option should just not be avaliable.
The use of aps has been good but it opens the door for abuse.

South Africa has neither location checks nor verification on the app. and website. Apparently there have been some instances at my club there of people putting in higher scores than they played. But would hackable, technological solutions solve that?

 

[clubchamp98]

South Africa has neither location checks nor verification on the app. and website. Apparently there have been some instances at my club there of people putting in higher scores than they played. But would hackable, technological solutions solve that?

No that’s just plain cheating.

I just don’t know why people do that.
Its only a sport

 

[doublebogey7]

Oh plenty I bet but it should make our handicaps a bit more accurate in my opinion.

My handicap does not travel well at present and I put a lot of that down to the CR

CR-Par will make no difference to how your "handicap travels", as it will effect all players equally and will have zero effect on your score differential.

 

[doublebogey7]

OK.
I started this thread & obviously from the amount of replies, a great many of you feel as I do.
On reflection after reading most of the replies, I probably should have titled this thread as handicap abuse rather than issues with WHS as I firmly believe that fantasy handicaps are primarily the root cause of all the dissatisfaction aimed at WHS.

There are posters on here making all the excuses under the sun for the crazy scores that I'm seeing (it has to be said, this is mainly in the Seniors sections)
Improving players / the round of a lifetime / returning players, I've heard it all, most of it trying desperately to defend the indefensible
.
But after what I've witnessed in the last few weeks, absolutely nothing anyone says will convince me otherwise to the fact that we have quite a few (mainly Seniors) who are playing off of totally incorrect handicaps which to a large degree have been manufactured by themselves.
In other words.
Blatant cheating.

I assume you've reported your concerns to your clubs handicap committee with the relevant evidence.

 

[Swango1980]

CR-Par will make no difference to how your "handicap travels", as it will effect all players equally and will have zero effect on your score differential.

I think it is the perception of golfers though, who compare their score to nett par / 36 points.

But, very true, it isn't going to suddenly give golfers more shots relative to others, thus help them finish higher up the field when they travel to a higher CR-Par course.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Players can do CR-Par in their heads if they want to "feel" differently about Course Handicap.
Nothing stopping them from doing it right now and it won't make any difference to anything significantly.

 

[IanM]

48 points won our comp today...

No, not anything iffy, improver etc, just a long standing 8 handicapper having a really really good day!!

 

[Swango1980]

Players can do CR-Par in their heads if they want to "feel" differently about Course Handicap.
Nothing stopping them from doing it right now and it won't make any difference to anything significantly.

Indeed. And, if introduced, you can remove the CR-Par in your head if you want to.

 

[D-S]

Indeed. And, if introduced, you can remove the CR-Par in your head if you want to.

I’m sure that’s what some people have been doing in every other country in the world since the inception of WHS in 2020.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Indeed. And, if introduced, you can remove the CR-Par in your head if you want to.

No need.
It won't alter my thinking either way.
If my handicap is moved up a bit or down a bit, I know that everyone else's has been done the same.
Does not affect my play against the course or my play relative to other players.

 

[Swango1980]

No need.
It won't alter my thinking either way.
If my handicap is moved up a bit or down a bit, I know that everyone else's has been done the same.
Does not affect my play against the course or my play relative to other players.

Champion

 

[Imurg]

CR-Par will make no difference to how your "handicap travels", as it will effect all players equally and will have zero effect on your score differential.

Serious question...
If CR-Par has zero effect on score differentials ( which is what your index is calculated from)....what's the point of it..?
Sorry if this a dumb one but my brain's about to burst....

 

[doublebogey7]

Serious question...
If CR-Par has zero effect on score differentials ( which is what your index is calculated from)....what's the point of it..?
Sorry if this a dumb one but my brain's about to burst....

Should have said minimal (less than .1 per one shot change in CH) effect on SD. It will though: bring us in line with most other juristrictions: help players to understand the real differences in difficulty of courses/tees.

 

[Alan Clifford]

Serious question...
If CR-Par has zero effect on score differentials ( which is what your index is calculated from)....what's the point of it..?
Sorry if this a dumb one but my brain's about to burst....

In rare cases it can; if you have a double bogey that becomes a triple bogey if your course handicap is reduced.

 

[Alan Clifford]

I have a handicap index of 22.5. This gives an England Golf style course handicap of 23. Par of 69 plus the 23 gives 92. A gross score of 92 results in a differential of 24.3, which is way above my handicap index. Take the par out of the course handicap and put in the course rating gives a course handicap of 21. Par of 69 + 21 gives 90. A gross score of 90 results in a differential of 22.3.

To quote Trillian (HHGTTG), "We have normality. I repeat, we have normality. Anything you still can't cope with is therefore your own problem."

 

[Voyager EMH]

Serious question...
If CR-Par has zero effect on score differentials ( which is what your index is calculated from)....what's the point of it..?
Sorry if this a dumb one but my brain's about to burst....

To move everyone's competition handicap up a bit or down a bit depending on whether Course Rating is above or below par.
This will have an insignificant change to outcomes of those competitions.

Play against the course is unaffected, because that remains gross score for everyone.
Under the previous system we returned nett scores against the course. Many people's thinking is still greatly affected by this. They have not changed or adapted their thinking.

For players who are seeking a non-existent equivalence of their course handicap to their handicap under the previous system, then CR-Par might help them prolong that backwards thinking for a longer amount of time. There will be a temporary period of feeling less confused by the new system for these people who continue to think that you return a nett score against the course.

It is the, "I get x shots on this course" concept that no longer exists. You do not "get shots" on a course - you return a gross score.
You "get shots" only relative to other players when playing with and against those other players.

 

[jim8flog]

I evidenced one aspect of the WHS that was shown not to work well yesterday.

We had a 4BBB Open yesterday. There was a group of 12 from one Somerset club who were all putting their individual scores on the EG app despite being told by me that that they could not do so when one player asked for his card back and another wanted to photo the card.

I recognised one of the players from last year and he was told the same thing back then.