wjemather
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Where is the evidence?
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clubchamp98
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Well my real world is on the golf course not in a manual or a data spread sheet.
You just consistently rubbish peoples experiences
wjemather
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So to be clear, you do not have, nor are aware of, any evidence to support your claim?
I do not rubbish anyone's experiences. However, anecdotes that are without all necessary context and/or have been selected to support a particular perspective are not reliable evidence of anything.
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clubchamp98
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We’re not in a law court.
I have heard people in the clubhouse saying they are going to do exactly that!( no video avaliable )
All your evidence says it’s not happening
So why are EG not accepting players with to many GP cards in elite ballots?
Its happening at Elite level but you think it’s not happening at the other end !
Its a joke of a system very easily manipulated at both ends and in the middle !
Crow
Crow Person
All this moaning from every quarter, you all need to get some vintage/classic clubs, forget about winning things and just enjoy your golf.
It's not all about the score.
It's not all about the score.
Jimaroid
Journeyman Pro
In the data you claim can’t be shared.
wjemather
Well-known member
Really?
There are several reasons for EGs elite tournament criteria, which we discussed in an earlier thread. Also, the specified number of GP scores is only a trigger for further analysis of the player's record, not a limit, over which entries will be automatically rejected.
wjemather
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You don't know what the data supports.
Also, not what I said.
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Do you know what the data supports?
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If you have access to this data why won't you share it to support your argument?
wjemather
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I am none of: The R&A, USGA, WHA, EG, SG, WG, any software provider, or any other organisation/company that owns relevant data.
SteveW86
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You still haven’t answered when I asked if you had seen the data
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So you don’t know the details
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Interesting. You are saying everyone is wrong but you don't have access to any more data than the rest of us.
Swango1980
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I think he is a bit like an AI, learns and memorises everything by the book, and defends it to the death under any sort of scrutiny. In a forum of regular golfers, it is easy to dismiss their claims as we rarely have analysed the details in huge detail, and so it is easy to say the authorities have, and without flaw.
Of course, if the authorities then change anything in the future then he'll probably rigorously defend the changes, and forget that they were changes he argued weren't needed when ordinary golfers like us suggested they may be flawed.
No doubt, we'll sometimes be wrong on our own limited experiences. But we'll not always be wrong. So many complained about PCC and I remember some in here defended it rigorously. Then the authorities changed it. Some argued CR-Par should be included over here, and some defended CONGU's decision not to include it. Then the authorities decided to include it.
Thankfully, the authorities aren't so dismissive of golfers concerns as some are in here. Things may be slow to change, but at least they appear to investigate such concerns in the background, and make future changes if necessary
wjemather
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Sorry, missed that one.
Yes, some.
SteveW86
Head Pro
So if you haven’t read all of the data, how can you be so sure in your conclusions?
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
What data is collected from all the social golf that is played. I'm not aware of any.
Therefore my experience can only ever be anecdotal. I am aware that many golfers play to or below their handicap far more than 20% of the time.
But how can you follow someone round when they play a handicap qualifier and identify when they hit a drive into the rough or an iron shot into a greenside bunker that they did so deliberately.
"I'm simply not playing well today" - how can it be proved that they are lying and deliberately playing a few poor shots during their round. They are a high-handicapper and there are always some poor shots.
I say that there is no effective way of doing so.
This is not a fault of WHS.
Therefore my experience can only ever be anecdotal. I am aware that many golfers play to or below their handicap far more than 20% of the time.
But how can you follow someone round when they play a handicap qualifier and identify when they hit a drive into the rough or an iron shot into a greenside bunker that they did so deliberately.
"I'm simply not playing well today" - how can it be proved that they are lying and deliberately playing a few poor shots during their round. They are a high-handicapper and there are always some poor shots.
I say that there is no effective way of doing so.
This is not a fault of WHS.
wjemather
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Thanks for that, makes things a lot clearer now.
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