What's wrong with elitism anyway?

Dave3498

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Elitism seems to be a nasty word these days.

Isn't it elitism that stops me playing for Europe in the Ryder Cup? Isn't it elitism that stops me playing for my country's football team, stops me performing at the Royal Ballet, stops me competing in the Olympics or stops me performing heart transplants at Papworth? Of course it is, and quite rightly so. I can't take part in any of the aforementioned activities because I'm simply not good enough at any of them. The are all elite.

That is what we, as serious golfers, are saying when we ask others to achieve our standards of behaviour, ettiquette and dress in our group. We want you to be as elite as we are. It's nothing to do with finances, and for people to say that there is a rich/poor element to this are quite wrong. The Ryder Cup team members are there because they have achieved an elite level of play, not because they are rich. If it was a question of money, then many people would buy their way into the team, wouldn't they?

We have to make it well known that we have these standards, so that people expect to behave properly when they pay a green fee of even apply for membership.

These days, many Golf Clubs are advertising for members, my own Club included. They can't put 'no riff-raff' in the advert, as Basil Fawlty did for his gourmet evening. No one is going to look at an advert and say, 'Oh sod it, I can't apply, the advert says no riff-raff.' are they?
 

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I like your thinking, but I am not sure where this is going.

I am an elitist. I would limit membership of my club to me. Occasionally I might invite my friends, if they are nice to me.
 

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any person can reach the elite at anything, and to be elite at anything is not a bad thing.
Nor is it a bad thing to ask someone to act in a way that is none-detrimental to the others doing the same thing at the same time.
The word elite means the best, but i would not use it to describe a section of people but would use it to describe people that are the best at a chosen field if that makes sense.
 

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I think in terms of golf, people confuse elitism with snobbery.

I know many non-golfers, such as guys I drink with, friends, and business associates who think golf is a game for rich boys and poseurs. They are of course wrong!
 

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'Elitism is the belief or attitude that those individuals who are considered members of the elite — a select group of people with outstanding personal abilities, intellect, wealth, specialized training or experience, or other distinctive attributes — are those whose views on a matter are to be taken the most seriously or carry the most weight; whose views and/or actions are most likely to be constructive to society as a whole; or whose extraordinary skills, abilities or wisdom render them especially fit to govern. Alternatively, the term elitism may be used to describe a situation in which power is concentrated in the hands of the elite.'

Elitism is about power. To be a member of an elite group by virtue of a skill is not.

Don't confuse a wish that the rules and etiquette of the game be adhered to with elitism. The two are markedly different.
 

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Think you have opened up the biggest can of worms ever!

Next we will be on the social class debate compared to elitism.......

I dont think there is anything wrong with some elitism it happens every day at work, restaurants etc This is why its so important to shop around before joining a golf club, one of the first bits of advice given to me about joining was to have a few drinks in the bar and gauge the atmosphere etc.
 

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any person can reach the elite at anything.....

Can't agree Geronimo, I am 6'2" and 16 and 1/2 stone. Could YOU see ME in the Royal Ballet?????

OK so i took that to far.

If people showed enough dedication to one thing then they could reach the elite.

but it may be worth a laugh to see you in a tutu though :D
 
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