USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
Smiffy, rather than discussing this on the forum, why dont you just have a quiet word with James (JustOneUK) and ask him to stop doing it in future
While you are there, tell him to speed up a bit too.
What to do when you catch a "friend" cheating......
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While you are there, tell him to speed up a bit too.
Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
This brings home that there are 2 types of golfers in this world. Those that play by the rules and want to get cut as quickly as possible and respect the spirit of the game. And those that want to nick an advantage by any means they can, they also tend to be the same people keeping their hcap artificially high
spot on, the guy that cheats in our group who i lost the last society to then moaned because he got cut for winning " how can you cut me it was only 33 points "
ours rules stated the winner of any event will be cut 1, +1 extra for every pooint he is over 40points.
he cheated for the win and i took pleasure in sending the results email along with he's new cut handicap. he hasnt played to it yet in the last 3 rounds.
Robobum
Money List Winner
Can you not start digging him out with some p*** taking amongst the group after another of his miraculous rounds??
"Great recovery on 6 mate, must have used a JCB to get that kind of lie to go for the green!!"
"You know that you'll be DQ'd for too many clubs if you keep using that leather wedge!!"
We all know you ain't backwards at coming forwards with the banter.
He'll either realise that you've clocked him and stop doing it or he'll carry on and then you can pull him properly on it.
"Great recovery on 6 mate, must have used a JCB to get that kind of lie to go for the green!!"
"You know that you'll be DQ'd for too many clubs if you keep using that leather wedge!!"
We all know you ain't backwards at coming forwards with the banter.
He'll either realise that you've clocked him and stop doing it or he'll carry on and then you can pull him properly on it.
JustOne
Ryder Cup Winner
Never heard that one before - sounds like you know what you're talking about
Robobum
Money List Winner
Never heard that one before - sounds like you know what you're talking about
It was an accident, wasn't watching where I was walking
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Spinn77
Challenge Tour Pro
For Ebay ....
Well played Leftie, sounds like a great back 9.
As for the culprit, just dont invite him anymore, only bother telling him why if he has the cheek to ask!
viscount17
Money List Winner
only really come across blatant cheats once, and that in a charity match (NOT Luton Hoo).
I was in a four-ball with three strangers but who knew the group behind, they all played at the same club. I was told that that group was bound to win as they'd all come in with scores of around 38 points (they did), that one was reknowned for the use of the leather wedge in the rough, and another had 'never lost a ball'.
tbh, I couldn't understand why they were allowed to play if all from that club knew of them.
I was in a four-ball with three strangers but who knew the group behind, they all played at the same club. I was told that that group was bound to win as they'd all come in with scores of around 38 points (they did), that one was reknowned for the use of the leather wedge in the rough, and another had 'never lost a ball'.
tbh, I couldn't understand why they were allowed to play if all from that club knew of them.
C
CannyFifer
Guest
I carded a 4 the other week when it was a 5, never noticed until I saw my round on how did I do and saw it was a 4 marked down, just punched the numbers into the pc.Shot 99 and went up anyway as it was a bad round but felt bad about it.
funkyfred
Challenge Tour Pro
Smiffy
Looks like you have plenty of good idea's here to use.
Personally I can not see how you can invite him to any future competitions, whether its away for a weekend or just down the local pay and play. When he asks why he hasn't been ask to attend you can state that you have had a number of complaints from other members/competitors (over several competitions) who do not want to play if you are invited.
Looks like you have plenty of good idea's here to use.
Personally I can not see how you can invite him to any future competitions, whether its away for a weekend or just down the local pay and play. When he asks why he hasn't been ask to attend you can state that you have had a number of complaints from other members/competitors (over several competitions) who do not want to play if you are invited.
Fyldewhite
Tour Winner
Some interesting replies. It's quite unusual to have a case that's so clear cut in terms of many people seeing him blatantly cheating. Lot's of advice saying play it carefully etc but in my view that's how most "occasional cheats" get to be fully addicted. Tell him straight - "look pal, we all think you are at it. I've personally seen you mark a ball way out of order, you are a cheat and a disgrace to the game and you will not be welcome again". You may upset him but the loss of such a "friend" is no loss at all. The guy's obviously an ***.
big_mean_bunny
Club Champion
smiffy I run a little society among friends and we had someone with a counting problem. One time I rigged the playing draw so he was teamed with my old man who is a no holds barred b*stard with cheats! and ever since then I let whoever he is playing with know that he sometimes claims questionable scores so they know to keep a count of his strokes . Also before rounds I will gather everyone up for a brief about local rules/course out of bounds so no one is in doubt about any potential free drops or reliefs etc.
seems to work, also we had the best man at his wedding mention the time he was caught throwing the ball out of a bunker!
seems to work, also we had the best man at his wedding mention the time he was caught throwing the ball out of a bunker!
DingleBerry
Assistant Pro
Let him play again and u join his group follow him around every shot and then C if he wins and then tell Him [have a vote first] that he is banned from playing with u lot again !!
vig
Tour Winner
Having met the guy and i musr admit i didn't "take to him".
If I attend another of your jaunts, I think it would make sense to "manipulate" the draw so as the other 3 are aware of what they are looking for and rat him out. I would be more than happy to be one of the 3.
After Saturday night with the "Ray" situation i'm sure the others would see it as it is and not worry about it spoiling the trip.
If I attend another of your jaunts, I think it would make sense to "manipulate" the draw so as the other 3 are aware of what they are looking for and rat him out. I would be more than happy to be one of the 3.
After Saturday night with the "Ray" situation i'm sure the others would see it as it is and not worry about it spoiling the trip.
Remembering ones own shots and how to play them can be enough mental strain per round.
Wasting brain space on what and how this cheating b*stard is scoring is only a distraction to ones own game.
I like to watch other people playing, hitting good shots etc. I don't like watching people playing, who cheat!
Leaving him out from future outings is the answer but this must be done after pulling him up cheating in one last game.
Catching him in the act and dismissing him because of it would be better.
To tell him without one last game would just result in him playing dumb and saying that nobody has mentioned anything before and claiming innocence!
Wasting brain space on what and how this cheating b*stard is scoring is only a distraction to ones own game.
I like to watch other people playing, hitting good shots etc. I don't like watching people playing, who cheat!
Leaving him out from future outings is the answer but this must be done after pulling him up cheating in one last game.
Catching him in the act and dismissing him because of it would be better.
To tell him without one last game would just result in him playing dumb and saying that nobody has mentioned anything before and claiming innocence!
kid2
Money List Winner
This is what i would do Smiff.......
Invite him on the next one but have it set up that ye play for small money.....Maybe £5.....
Have the lads tipped off that no matter what you hit that day that the only thing your going to do is keep an eye on him and his scores.....Keep your own card for him and mark it without asking him what he got....Let one of the lads do that.....When the round is over verify his round card with the one that you are secretly marking on him and then see the discrepencies.......After that let fly and tell him that you've known for a while that he was a cheat and that you couldnt prove it until that day.....And tell him its his last round with ye.....He's got the name of a cheat which cannot be redeemed in my opinion! Ever!
Invite him on the next one but have it set up that ye play for small money.....Maybe £5.....
Have the lads tipped off that no matter what you hit that day that the only thing your going to do is keep an eye on him and his scores.....Keep your own card for him and mark it without asking him what he got....Let one of the lads do that.....When the round is over verify his round card with the one that you are secretly marking on him and then see the discrepencies.......After that let fly and tell him that you've known for a while that he was a cheat and that you couldnt prove it until that day.....And tell him its his last round with ye.....He's got the name of a cheat which cannot be redeemed in my opinion! Ever!
Losttheplot
Tour Rookie
Smiffy.... If it was a 'mate' and not an in law in my situation I'd possibly cover some rules in the pre match coffee and roll with the lads and make it clear all rules will be abided by from now on.
Might give him a bit of a kick up the arse!
Failing that just call him a cheating b***ard and get it over and done with! :grin
Might give him a bit of a kick up the arse!
Failing that just call him a cheating b***ard and get it over and done with! :grin
SyR
Challenge Tour Pro
I think a frank and honest talk with just him is best. Rather than engineering a big group plot to tackle him, be direct and just call him on it and say it's been spotted on several occasions, isn't acceptable and either say he's banned or that he's on his last warning. (If you feel he deserves one last chance.)
Golf isn't fun if you have to constantly monitor your playing partners.
Golf isn't fun if you have to constantly monitor your playing partners.
This cheat doesn't deserve a decent 'outing'.
madandra
Money List Winner
Tell him if he turns up again you will enlighten everyone as to what he has been doing to win their sweep money.
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
I hope you do make another one of our "jaunts" Dave, you fitted in just great.
With regard the Ray "situation" that's not going to happen again. Ray is a really nice bloke, been coming on the trips for nearly 20 years and nobody should have been treated the way he was. The guy concerned had no right in altering the rules of the competition to suit himself and he won't be getting away with it again.
And as far as the "cheat" is concerned, he won't be coming on any more trips...the decision has been made.
A draw was made for the first round partners as we always do on these trips and it was just unfortunate that he was drawn in the first match (a threeball) with the two newest members of the group. Both of these new guys were nervous as they had never met any of us before, and were both high handicappers who had problems keeping track of their own scores, let alone their playing partners. The rest of the lads could sense that something was going to happen during that round (certainly I had my suspicions) but what could we do? We certainly couldn't hold a re-draw as that would have seemed a little suspicious (and obvious).
The "cheat" came in with 37 points that round, strange course, greens that were very difficult to putt on. I wonder how he managed to put that score together? Knowing the guy as I do, I can say for certain that he didn't make that score legitimately. But we couldn't prove it. The fact that Jay (one of the new guys) mentioned on Sunday morning that he had seen the guy picking his ball up and then marking it on the greens confirmed what we already knew. But he hadn't said anything at the time because, as I say, he was nervous and didn't want to create a scene. And to be honest, he also said that he was that new he didn't realise that it was against the rules to mark your ball like that.
We are just not going to invite him on any more days out...we don't see that much of him nowadays anyway as he has moved out of the area. If it ever gets to the stage where he asks why he isn't coming out with us anymore I will tell him....straight.
He won't like it. But I'd rather not have him around if he is going to cheat his mates. If he wants to enter an open competition or something when none of us are around and cheat his way to victory that's fine. We won't know about it. But to shite on your mates??? That's not on.
Thanks to everybody for your straight and honest answers and all taken onboard (I went out yesterday and bought a branding iron
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