An out of touch idiot that does his party no favours at all (maybe a good thing for some on here)
What Rees Mogg really thinks of common people
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That's lazy Phil.
Have a look at the list of Tory MP's and their background/early career. You might be surprised.
Have a look at a list of Labour MP's and their background/early career. You might be surprised.
There is a greater propensity for Tory MP's to come from what is perceived as a more affluent white collar background but you might be surprised to know that quite a significant number of Labour MP's come from exactly the same background. Corbyn for example has a prep school/grammar school background. And for one who wants to chase the wealthy, I wonder how he amassed a personal wealth of over £3m. "Up the workers!" Yeh right, especially those of the Islington Elite.
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I didn’t mention Labour or made a comparisons
Poor attempt at deflection Phil. You got caught out on a lazy stereotypical old fashioned view.
I suppose you're now going to qualify your first statement, "excluding the Tory boys from Council estate homes and state schools."
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And that's what you going to hide behind? You know exactly what you meant, and you have been caught out being lazy. Man up for once and admit that occasionally you get it wrong.
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I really don’t know what the hell you are going on about
I guess that it seems up the political threads these day - stinks of arrogance , will just avoid them.
harpo_72
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Phil, you summed up part of the Tory party there are a few other parts. One is the poor boy done good looking to gain social standing - becomes disaffected after a period of time as the ones you mentioned look down on him. Then you have the social climbers, done nothing of note but put on airs and graces - generally invade golf clubs and kill the club atmosphere.
There are some completely genuine people and they are well worth the discussion and have a lot of common ground and an empathy for their fellow man..
That’s my findings so far, I don’t care to talk politics because it could spoil a good friendship. Although most of my friends hold similar views to me.
SocketRocket
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Probably best old boy.
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What you have to remember Phil is that Tories aren’t awful because they are from privileged backgrounds!
Just look at Esther McVey, she’s from a working class, underprivileged background and she’s even worse than most of the posh boys💩
SocketRocket
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Take a look at the backgrounds of many Labour MPs, not too shabby.
User20204
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Tony Benn was multi millionaire, are you suggesting he had "tory" tendencies ? personal wealth has nothing to do with your political beliefs.
Hacker Khan
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Listening to the interview he stated that the real tragedy was that they were told to stay put. But I'd argue the real tragedy is how they got to be in the position where they were living in a tower block with flammable cladding and how society, especially the housing market, has got to that point where something like this was going to happen eventually. Not the fact that in a horrendous pressure situation they understandably listened to what they perceive as a voice of authority and expertise.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Meanwhile Andrew Bridgen has had to apologise for expressing support for Rees-Mogg's original statement...
So what has he apologised for...supporting the view of Rees-Mogg on this matter? That's understandable. But did Bridgen actually believe himself what Rees-Mogg had originally said - or was he just being a supportive buddy and not really bothered about what Rees-Mogg actually said. We can guess but who's to say.
And of course being a comprehensive schoolboy Bridgen neatly exemplifies the point made earlier by @JamesR...
What you have to remember (Phil) is that Tories aren’t awful because they are from privileged backgrounds!
What a pair
So what has he apologised for...supporting the view of Rees-Mogg on this matter? That's understandable. But did Bridgen actually believe himself what Rees-Mogg had originally said - or was he just being a supportive buddy and not really bothered about what Rees-Mogg actually said. We can guess but who's to say.
And of course being a comprehensive schoolboy Bridgen neatly exemplifies the point made earlier by @JamesR...
What you have to remember (Phil) is that Tories aren’t awful because they are from privileged backgrounds!
What a pair
Dellboy
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I don’t think what he said was wrong at all, maybe the way he said it, but if you listen to what he said I can’t see why anyone is getting upset.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Is he, by chance, on your side of the Brexit argument? What bit of what he said was not wrong at all?
Because what he actually said was disgraceful and I can't imagine why anyone would support him in what he said - unless, that is, R-M is beyond criticism with Leave votes.
btw - you'll be aware that JR-Ms buddy Bridgen only heard what R-M actually said - was Bridgen in the right as well?
Swango1980
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As much as I dislike the guy, I strongly suspect that this is just another example of twisting his poorly worded, uncaveated phrase, said live, to make him look like a horrific person.
Quote: "It just seems the common sense thing to do"
Well, technically he is correct. If I was in a burning building, my common sense tells me to flee. So, what I suspect he is getting at is that, if people were to follow their natural instincts, then more would likely have survived and therefore it is a great shame that the official advice actually did more harm than good. I doubt he was criticising the residents at all.
Of course, his statement is then twisted by many to make it sound that, what he was really saying, is that the residents lacked common sense, and if they were as intelligent as him they probably would have survived. Reading his initial quote, I do not see that at all, but I can also see how people can read between the lines to infer he is saying that.
Mind you, I don't think his Tory colleague did a very good job at defending him with his poorly used wording
Quote: "It just seems the common sense thing to do"
Well, technically he is correct. If I was in a burning building, my common sense tells me to flee. So, what I suspect he is getting at is that, if people were to follow their natural instincts, then more would likely have survived and therefore it is a great shame that the official advice actually did more harm than good. I doubt he was criticising the residents at all.
Of course, his statement is then twisted by many to make it sound that, what he was really saying, is that the residents lacked common sense, and if they were as intelligent as him they probably would have survived. Reading his initial quote, I do not see that at all, but I can also see how people can read between the lines to infer he is saying that.
Mind you, I don't think his Tory colleague did a very good job at defending him with his poorly used wording
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Really, you’re going to run towards the flames with your wife and family through pitch black smoke, risking blocking stairwells or stopping the Fireman reaching the Fire.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, I’m sure we’d all run now we know the facts, those people didn’t and trusted what they were being told.
To make that statement prior to Part 2 of the report coming out is insensitive, your basically insulting the intelligence of those that died and putting blame on the telephone operators and Firemen, which in itself you should hang your head in shame.
And this had nothing to do with mogg, it would feel the same if anyone made that statement, him or the man in a pub, the biggest difference is that politicians are in the Public Domain and need to think before they speak.
Swango1980
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In answer to your question. Yes. Without any other knowledge, if I was in a building that was on fire, I would try to get out. Obviously not towards flames, but towards the nearest exit. Just like you would be asked to do in any fire drill at work for example. Of course, with the guidance in that building, I would then follow the stay put advice, assuming that the building will protect the fire from spreading. That's what the professionals thought would be the case, and I'd therefore put my trust in them rather than my own common sense.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Heard a fire fighter talk about this yesterday (he may well have been closely involved with the fire or knew the tower - I can't recall).
Grenfell Tower has a single stairwell - so imagine all the residents from all 24 stories piling out into that smoke filled stairwell - where two good gulps of the sort of smoke that was filling it would have caused any individual serious problems - he said they'd be overcome and unconscious very quickly.
The common sense thing to do in any emergency situation is to do what the experts and emergency services tell you to do. Our common sense in uncommon scenarios can get us killed.
R-M also said"The more one's read over the weekend about the report..." which rather suggests that he has not actually read it himself yet feels qualified to make the comment he did...well...
And so he is banished to his constituency of North-East Somerset where I hope the good and decent constituents consider well their choices in the GE.
