clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
This is correct as once President you are unchallenged and can do what you want.
That’s not right.
The higher the office the more the scrutiny.
What is a fair suspension ?
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That’s not right.
The higher the office the more the scrutiny.
Chico84
Active member
I found it amusing and apropos that the episode of Midsomer Murders repeated last night was about a golf club and the politics that went on in the background. Let’s hope DCI Barnaby doesn’t need to get involved in this situation!
Springveldt
Well-known member
Been a member of my current club for coming on 5 years now. I couldn't even tell you who is on the committee, who the president is (if we even have one) etc. I book my game for Saturday, go play, have a pint/food afterwards then go home.
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Deleted member 25172
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I've got a feeling that this thread is gonna become a real forum classic.
Looking forward to read post 16,574 sometime around christmas 2023.
Looking forward to read post 16,574 sometime around christmas 2023.
williamalex1
Money List Winner
howbow88
Hacker
Yep. I go to our yearly AGM (sometimes), quietly laugh at how angry some members get over trivial matters, and it just reminds me of why I always shirk getting involved in the committee. Sometimes committee members think they have been given some sort of presidential level of office, and the ooze of ego is a pathetic to see. But on the whole, being on the committee seems like a thankless task for which you only get grief. No thanks.
That said, this situation seems a bit crazy. A 3 month ban for a naughtily worded email? No way is that fair...
Grant85
Head Pro
As I said, just my view. Don't see what there is to gain here. The committee made their decision re: subs and it is up to members to adhere to the decisions made regardless of what backs up that decision.
What is the best outcome from calling the Club President a liar? He says, 'yes, you're right enough I lied, don't worry about those 3 months worth of fees.'
If you don't like a club president or committee member, you usually only have to wait a year or two before they are replaced, and as I've said, if you have a real issue with the leadership at a club then either get involved and try to influence decisions from sitting on the committee and putting in the hours, or go and join somewhere else.
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I think one problem with committees is that the people on them are little like politicians; they aren’t the right people for the job, but they are the only ones who want it.
Grant85
Head Pro
Other point I would make is that other clubs I've been at have had people banned for fighting or causing a disturbance in the clubhouse.
The bans issued were club house bans. i.e. the member could still play on the course and play in competitions. As I've said, I think the ban is not all that clever a move by the club and is more using a sledgehammer to get the member to leave / move on. I'm sure there would have been better ways of resolving things.
The bans issued were club house bans. i.e. the member could still play on the course and play in competitions. As I've said, I think the ban is not all that clever a move by the club and is more using a sledgehammer to get the member to leave / move on. I'm sure there would have been better ways of resolving things.
slowhand
Head Pro
If they are trying to force the OP to leave of his own volition by coming down on him like this, it begs the question what are they trying to hide? Why would a request to view the legal advice given to the comittee that they claim gives them the right to demand the fees for the time they were unable to provide the services the members had paid for?
I'm not saying they didn't have the legal standing, I'm just wondering why they went for the nuclear option so quickly (according to the OP)
I'm not saying they didn't have the legal standing, I'm just wondering why they went for the nuclear option so quickly (according to the OP)
PhilTheFragger
Provider of Entertainment for the Golfing Gods 🙄
Golf Is all about integrity and honesty, it’s what the game is built on...
So let’s question the presidents integrity and honesty by calling him a liar in colourful terms and see what happens.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
OK - but my view remains simply that for any problem in life it's not so much the problem - it's how you cope with it and deal with it. And you can do the coping and the dealing using the same sort of thinking. And for me - in most scenarios and for the reasons I have given - the dealing with it does not involve any form of retribution being enacted.Sorry, I just see them as totally different scenarios so I don't think your analogy meant anything. But I don't want to go on about it for too long so let's leave it.
And that is how I'd advise the OP. Walk away from the problem - do not complicate it; do not draw it out, do not cause yourself further pain and do not create resentments - and then you can decide if you wish to remain a member or not.
robinthehood
Hacker
Its not retribution, he's asking a valid question and getting short shrift for his efforts.
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Deleted member 16999
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Then presidents and committee’s should ensure they are whiter than white and beyond reproach when dealing with club business.
They certainly shouldn’t be lying or keeping information from members (if that is the case).
slowhand
Head Pro
If that's the genuine reason for the suspension, then fair enough (although a bit harsh, I'd have thought a month would have been sufficient), but that isn't what the OP is claiming
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
Like the honesty involved in allegedly keeping the legal advice from the membership, or the integrity in allegedly responding to the allegations from the OP in the same colourful terms?
I completely understand where you're coming from Phil, but I'm more minded towards the OP's view if the claim that the club are unwilling to release the legal advice is correct; what is there to lose by doing it? I'm not saying the course of action he took was correct, but given some of the club Presidents I've met over the years, I can't criticise him as I might well have done something similar.
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Deleted member 18588
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It certainly seems that the majority on here have decided that the OP's version of events is the unalloyed truth. Personally I prefer to hear both sides of the story before condemning the Committee.
What is clear is that many think it OK to criticise Committee members in quite colourful terms whilst happily posting on a forum where open criticism of Moderators and their rulings is rightly prohibited.
Is that not clear double standards?
What is clear is that many think it OK to criticise Committee members in quite colourful terms whilst happily posting on a forum where open criticism of Moderators and their rulings is rightly prohibited.
Is that not clear double standards?
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
If Mr Nicholson taught us anything its that you have to ask nicely (oh, and: you can't handle the truth)
I'm not sure why, but I get a feeling that didn't happen (just speculating)
I'm not sure why, but I get a feeling that didn't happen (just speculating)
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
Having been a member at the same club for over 30 years I can tell you that situations like this are pretty rare. Where I play often a quiet word in someones ear is sufficient to avoid going to a disciplinary tribunal. I know of only two in that period.
The main the reason for calling one have been because someone was reported for cheating in a comp and on at least two occasions to my knowledge that has resulted in a player either leaving the club of their own volition or be expelled from the club.
The only other expulsions I know of were one for not paying their subs and another for repeated verbal abuse of officials.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
Where I play the President is a 'figure head' only and has no power. All matters of discipline are referred to the Captain's Committee which is made of members voted in by the other members.
As you may have gathered from my earlier posts we have a well written Rules and Regs document which lays out all procedures in a clearly defined fashion. This document is available for all members to read either via the website or in written form on the bookshelf. In a case like this the first recourse the OP would have is to appeal the decision and the appeals panel is not allowed to have anybody on it that was part of the original Disciplinary Panel.
