Voting tomorrow, is there any point?

[Deleted member 15344]

I can't see how you think it's misrepresentation? I disagree with the suggestion that non-voters should have their voice silenced. So I'm going to argue against the suggestion that non-voters "just won't have a legitimate box to stand on when you're in the Pub with your mates mouthing off". Because it's wrong. They have as much right as anyone else.

Freedom of political opinion is a fundamental human right and an attempt to remove, stifle or use it against someone is wrong and in contradiction of democracy.

Summed up perfectly

 

[Imurg]

If I vote Labour in Aylesbury, my choice, my vote will lose(by about 25000) and my views will not be represented
If I don't vote at all my views will not be represented....

What's the real difference?

My views are not being represented.........

 

[bluewolf]

I can't see how you think it's misrepresentation? I disagree with the suggestion that non-voters should have their voice silenced. So I'm going to argue against the suggestion that non-voters "just won't have a legitimate box to stand on when you're in the Pub with your mates mouthing off". Because it's wrong. They have as much right as anyone else.

Freedom of political opinion is a fundamental human right and an attempt to remove, stifle or use it against someone is wrong and in contradiction of democracy.

Sweet Jesus.. The point that is being made (and missed in your case), is that if you decide not to vote then you can hardly mouth off in the Pub (or on a forum) about how badly the person elected is doing.. It's a simple concept.. You can hardly complain about something you decided to take no part in.. Nobody is being denied any Human Rights. I'm just not going to listen to that person as they have no basis for complaint..
Stop looking for a Grand Conspiracy to deny basic rights to the population when the point being discussed is a Social conversation.........

 

[bluewolf]

Summed up perfectly

For Gods sake Phil.. Stop being so obtuse.. No one is being denied any right or freedom.. I reserve the right to ignore any complaint you have because you decided not to act on your political opinion.

 

[Imurg]

You have the right to vote, people have sacrificed themselves over the years to give you that right and it is simply wrong not to exercise that right.

Just being "Foxy" pedantic - but if you have a right to vote you also have a right to not vote.
Until its made a legal duty.....

 

[AuburnWarrior]

90% are going to vote, according to the results at the top of the page...

I wonder what the result would be in the proper election if 90% of the population voted...

 

[bluewolf]

Just being "Foxy" pedantic - but if you have a right to vote you also have a right to not vote.
Until its made a legal duty.....

And I have the right to ignore that persons complaints in a social environment.. Take part, or stand back and let the process happen around you.. You have all the choice in the World...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

For Gods sake Phil.. Stop being so obtuse.. No one is being denied any right or freedom.. I reserve the right to ignore any complaint you have because you decided not to act on your political opinion.

Of course you reserve the right to ignore people if thats what you want to do - no issues with that at all mate

Just believe everyone have the right to free speech and free choice - thats what people fought for - our freedom.

 

[bluewolf]

Of course you reserve the right to ignore people if thats what you want to do - no issues with that at all mate

Just believe everyone have the right to free speech and free choice - thats what people fought for - our freedom.

Ok, for all those people who have claimed that they won't vote because all Politicians are corrupt thieving bar stewards..

What do you think that a dishonest Politician prefers, a 100% vote turn out, or a 36% vote turn out?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Ok, for all those people who have claimed that they won't vote because all Politicians are corrupt thieving bar stewards..

What do you think that a dishonest Politician prefers, a 100% vote turn out, or a 36% vote turn out?

He would prefer more to allow him to get more votes possibly ?

 

[bluewolf]

He would prefer more to allow him to get more votes possibly ?

Bit sexist there Phil

He/She would probably prefer as low a turn out as possible.. Voter apathy is perfect for the corrupt element.. Much easier to get away with their shady dealings when only a small percentage actually care..

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Bit sexist there Phil

He/She would probably prefer as low a turn out as possible.. Voter apathy is perfect for the corrupt element.. Much easier to get away with their shady dealings when only a small percentage actually care..

Only way for them to stop shady dealings is for none of them to get voted in - or for the whole damn lot of them to stop being corrupt - but we know its not going to happen

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

If you found out their promises to improve the club/course were lies and they had stealing from the green fees, would you vote for them?

I'd report my findings to the main committee and ask for the vote on captaincy to be postponed until the allegations were properly investigated and put to the candidates.

 

[bluewolf]

Only way for them to stop shady dealings is for none of them to get voted in - or for the whole damn lot of them to stop being corrupt - but we know its not going to happen

But if we want them to stop being "corrupt" then the best way would be for us to get more involved in the Political process.. It's much harder to get away with dodgy dealings when people are constantly watching what you are doing..

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But if we want them to stop being "corrupt" then the best way would be for us to get more involved in the Political process.. It's much harder to get away with dodgy dealings when people are constantly watching what you are doing..

How exactly can we the voter stop them being corrupt - how can we stop them claiming so much extra money , getting handouts and back handers for contracts etc - how can we stop every single party being out for themselves and not the rest of the population

we cant - we have a vote to decide which one we pick - thats where are involvement ends.

The make up of the politics within the whole of the UK is rotten to the core and the only way we could change that is by having a "none of the above" in the voting slip and then forcing them to wake up

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

But if we want them to stop being "corrupt" then the best way would be for us to get more involved in the Political process.. It's much harder to get away with dodgy dealings when people are constantly watching what you are doing..

As I said with the Captaincy 'strawman' - faced with two candidates I don't fancy for the sort of reasons stated I can either sit on my hands - say and do nothing and not vote - or I can get involved; try and stop the election, and hopefully get new candidates coming forward that I do trust and between whom I can happily make a choice and vote for. But first I have to get involved.

 

[Jimaroid]

Sweet Jesus.. The point that is being made (and missed in your case), is that if you decide not to vote then you can hardly mouth off in the Pub (or on a forum) about how badly the person elected is doing.. It's a simple concept.. You can hardly complain about something you decided to take no part in..

I'm sorry but I do know what point you're making and I'm disagreeing with it because it's wrong. People are free to complain even if they don't take part.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

As I said with the Captaincy 'strawman' - faced with two candidates I don't fancy for the sort of reasons stated I can either sit on my hands - say and do nothing and not vote - or I can get involved; try and stop the election, and hopefully get new candidates coming forward that I do trust and between whom I can happily make a choice and vote for. But first I have to get involved.

So how exactly would you stop two equally corrupt MPs going for the same seat - you couldnt stop the election , it would go ahead regardless of what you say. So your "solution" doesnt work within political elections.

Highlighted the fantasy word - "hopefully"

 

[HomerJSimpson]

So how exactly would you stop two equally corrupt MPs going for the same seat - you couldnt stop the election , it would go ahead regardless of what you say. So your "solution" doesnt work within political elections.

Highlighted the fantasy word - "hopefully"

Define corrupt. If they are found to be corrupt or guilty of wrong doing they can be forced step down before the election (although their name may still be on the paper) and if they are guilty once in office can be forced to resign (or imprisoned if it goes to court) and a by-election held

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Define corrupt. If they are found to be corrupt or guilty of wrong doing they can be forced step down before the election (although their name may still be on the paper) and if they are guilty once in office can be forced to resign (or imprisoned if it goes to court) and a by-election held

As has happened in my constituency - the LibDem candidate has been dropped by the LibDems due to irregularities in his registration. He is still on the ballot paper and I could vote for him.