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Good to see the humour is still going strong
Voting tomorrow, is there any point?
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Good to see the humour is still going strong
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
No - but you'd have good solid reasons not to trust the candidates standing to be your constituency MP I'm sure, other than 'I don't trust politicians - they are all the same; they are liars and in it for themselves' as these aren't really specific to the candidates. Especially as only a maximum of one is likely to have been an MP before. So raise your specific trust concerns in advance of the election and get them investigated. Sounds like a lot of hassle so easier just to not bother. I agree.
bobmac
Major Champion
For those of you heading off to the polls today, ponder this for a few moments......
This is not gossip, someone's opinion or just a made up number........ these are facts.
In 2008/9 when the expense scandal broke, Mps across the board claimed £102m.
In 2013/14 they claimed £103m
Divided by 650 MPs that is an AVERAGE of £158,461 each.
Add to that their £67,060 salary.
Add to that, £7.4 million DISCLOSED earnings from outside work and second jobs in the past year.
And not forgetting the 11% pay rise due after the election.
And not forgetting the £50,000 salary they can now claim for a member of their family
No wonder they're so keen to get your vote.
Happy voting
This is not gossip, someone's opinion or just a made up number........ these are facts.
In 2008/9 when the expense scandal broke, Mps across the board claimed £102m.
In 2013/14 they claimed £103m
Divided by 650 MPs that is an AVERAGE of £158,461 each.
Add to that their £67,060 salary.
Add to that, £7.4 million DISCLOSED earnings from outside work and second jobs in the past year.
And not forgetting the 11% pay rise due after the election.
And not forgetting the £50,000 salary they can now claim for a member of their family
No wonder they're so keen to get your vote.
Happy voting
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DanFST
Head Pro
Your posts are babble. I agree with you that people have the choice to act on their own free will, but I believe attending a polling station should be mandatory.
"Being in a democratic society means that you have the choice to do what you wish with your vote. Being in a democratic society means you are not forced to vote for anyone if you so wish - it's your vote - what you do with it is your choice"
That's an excellent point you typed, and one I completely agree with. But confusingly, you are using it to Justify people who don't vote? I think you have your idea's of Free will and democracy confused. If a large percentage of the Electorate don't enter a polling station, how can the result of said vote, and the idea of a democratic UK be considered valid?
I'm not sure your attempts to belittle me are working, a manifesto is just a piece of paper. At no point have I said otherwise.
jp5
Q-School Graduate
For those of you heading off to the polls today, ponder this for a few moments......
This is not gossip, someone's opinion or just a made up number........ these are facts.
In 2008/9 when the expense scandal broke, Mps across the board claimed £102m.
In 2013/14 they claimed £103m
Divided by 650 MPs that is an AVERAGE of £158,461 each.
Add to that their £67,060 salary.
Add to that, £7.4 million DISCLOSED earnings from outside work and second jobs in the past year.
And not forgetting the 11% pay rise due after the election.
And not forgetting the £50,000 salary they can now claim for a member of their family
No wonder they're so keen to get your vote.
Happy voting
How much does it cost to travel regularly between Westminster and their constituencies? Or would you rather they didn't bother visiting their constituents once elected?
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Can't see why you are so confused ? The statement you posted is clear as day and you agree with it - people have the right to choice what to do with their vote - simple
And in regards Manifestos - this was you initial post
All of the problems and disillusions you have with politics have been addressed in various parties manifesto's, it's just up to you to engage and read them.
It appears you are suggesting they have addressed the problems with MP's ? So have they actually addressed them or just words ?
jp5
Q-School Graduate
Am in one of the safest seats in the country but I'll still go out and vote.
If you can't find a candidate/party that is remotely aligned with your views then it is still worthwhile to spoil your ballot.
To do otherwise would be to take for granted our very fortunate position of being born into a country which is democratically run.
If you can't find a candidate/party that is remotely aligned with your views then it is still worthwhile to spoil your ballot.
To do otherwise would be to take for granted our very fortunate position of being born into a country which is democratically run.
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Can they not pay for their travel out of the £70 grand a year pay ? Everyone else has too - they get travel costs and money for a second home - sorry but it's a disgrace the amount of money they claim
DanFST
Head Pro
The statement is completely clear you are correct. But you are using it to Justify why people don't vote, which it completely contradicts. That's why i'm confused.
And yep that was my initial post. I don't know the problems with MP's, but the Greens and UKIP have a large section on Parliamentary reform.
bobmac
Major Champion
My local Mp claimed £11,523 last year for travel and accommodation.
jp5
Q-School Graduate
Right, so how many trips to Westminster could Danny Alexander, representing Inverness, afford from his £67,000 salary? Should constituencies further from London be disadvantaged then?
ger147
Tour Winner
So divided by say 40 weeks that's just under £300 a week. I doubt he/she will be taking over Mike Ashley's place on the UK's rich list any time soon.
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Where is the contradiction?
People have the right to choice what to do with their vote - if that means choosing not to use it then they have exercised their right
Simple
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
To me the fundamental flaw in the argument that not voting is 'expressing an opinion' is that it is virtually impossible for anyone to know what that opinion is. I agree that it is your right not to vote if you want to, but to me it is a very futile and dangerous thing to do, There are many many reasons why people legitimize to themselves the fact that they do not vote. So whilst one person may not vote as they can't find a parties' policies that they agree with, others will not vote as they are in a safe seat and they see it as a waste of time, others may not vote as they do not agree with the whole political system as a whole, others may not vote as they do not agree with first past the post, other may not vote as they are just completely apathetic and could not be arsed to register in time. Plus I am sure there are many other reasons people will try to justify their stance with.
But as there are so many reasons, by not voting I would argue you are not registering some kind of protest that will get heard. But you will just be classes as one of the apathetic masses that do not vote. And politicians will not care about you, why should they if you do not vote? And then when people start moaning about the government being in power with only a relatively small percentage of the total eligible vote (as they inevitably will once all the horse trading has been completed), then we have only brought that on ourselves.
But as there are so many reasons, by not voting I would argue you are not registering some kind of protest that will get heard. But you will just be classes as one of the apathetic masses that do not vote. And politicians will not care about you, why should they if you do not vote? And then when people start moaning about the government being in power with only a relatively small percentage of the total eligible vote (as they inevitably will once all the horse trading has been completed), then we have only brought that on ourselves.
CheltenhamHacker
Journeyman Pro
For those of you heading off to the polls today, ponder this for a few moments......
This is not gossip, someone's opinion or just a made up number........ these are facts.
In 2008/9 when the expense scandal broke, Mps across the board claimed £102m.
In 2013/14 they claimed £103m
Divided by 650 MPs that is an AVERAGE of £158,461 each.
Add to that their £67,060 salary.
Add to that, £7.4 million DISCLOSED earnings from outside work and second jobs in the past year.
And not forgetting the 11% pay rise due after the election.
And not forgetting the £50,000 salary they can now claim for a member of their family
No wonder they're so keen to get your vote.
Happy voting
Yeh that's a bit of money. Probably best to not give them a salary and then let only the rich take up a position.
OR we pay them what they're worth. They don't even earn that much, considering how long it takes to get to the position, the work that goes in, and how volatile their career is. How do you fancy losing your job after 4/5 years, just because people don't like your boss?
This really isn't that big a salary. If you think it is, then stand for election yourself. It's an easy job where you're paid loads, why doesn't everyone go for it?
CheltenhamHacker
Journeyman Pro
And being forced to go to a polling station doesn't impact that at all.
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Deleted member 15344
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In such a technical advance age we are in now I'm sure that most MP's can stay in one location for the majority of the time and still function - how trips does any MP need to take ?
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You are forcing them to cast a vote or spoil etc
That impacts on their free choice - simple
DanFST
Head Pro
jp5
Q-School Graduate
That depends if you think it's important that MPs raise local issues at Westminster, take part in debates, work on new laws and amendments etc.
Perhaps the country should be run by email? Or on a forum!
