Jacko_G
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Agree Pebble is an iconic place like St Andrews and Augusta, courses not to be messed about with. Tricking them up goes against the grain.
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Agree Pebble is an iconic place like St Andrews and Augusta, courses not to be messed about with. Tricking them up goes against the grain.
Wolf
Well-known member
Yet some moaned Bethpage was to hard and not enjoyable, now people complain its to easy..
I totally agree it's one of the few true iconic championship courses, it will get tougher as week goes on when pins are put in harder to get at spots, and if the pros still shot low well just enjoy the golf and beauty of the course
Grant85
Head Pro
I wouldn't say having firm greens is tricking up a golf course.
Look at the results in the past. Obviously Tiger was off the charts in 2000, but all other players were over par.
McDowell won it at level par with a 74 on the final day I believe.
Now things are shaping up for one of the lowest scoring US Opens in history. There is clearly room to make scoring a bit tougher for these guys.
Dan2501
Tour Winner
Forecast doesn't look great for carnage annoyingly. Bit of drizzle today will keep the greens soft and the most wind we're going to get according to the forecast is 9mph, rubbish.
pendodave
Tour Rookie
Not a big fan of chop-out rough around every green. So one-dimensional compared to the great UK courses.
As for the scoring, and the need to make the course 'tougher', we all know they can hit it too far. It's not rocket science..(it's ballistics and metallurgy).
As for the scoring, and the need to make the course 'tougher', we all know they can hit it too far. It's not rocket science..(it's ballistics and metallurgy).
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
I guess there needs to be a cut off time for deciding on a course set up before the tournament starts so if they'd planned for it to be a 'bit tougher' and the wind was blowing a hoolie they'd have got mega stick for it being too tough
Whereas a bit of wind yesterday would've made things just about right for most peoples idea of toughness, only thing is you cant accurately predict the weather well enough in advance to change the set up for no-wind
Damed if you do, damed if you don't
Grant85
Head Pro
They could have controlled the greens by having less water on them earlier this week. A decision was obviously made in the early part of this week to have receptive greens, at least for today. I don't believe there has been much rain in that area over the past week or two, so they could have had the greens much firmer if they'd wanted.
With regards to wind - higher winds would obviously have meant a far greater challenge. But central pins or a few shorter tees could have allowed players to still make a score. Winds generally the toughest area to set a course up for as typically on a seaside course, wind speed will build throughout the day - and on the Scottish East coast it will routinely turn 180 degrees with the tide.
I'm very happy to give them a pass on this set up as I think it would have been ideal if there had just been a bit more breeze. But much like an Open Venue - it's a much easier prospect in benign conditions.
And with regards to rough - they can obviously let it grow unchecked (as they will do for every US Open and Open Championship) and make a decision on the Monday / Tuesday / Wednesday to cut certain areas if they feel it is too penal or if higher winds are forecast.
Jacko_G
Blackballed
I don't think you have a clue what goes into the planning of a tournament of this scale and prestige.
I know a greenkeeper who was number 2 at St Andrews for the 2000 Open. The planning and timing of the fertilizer, feeds, cuts, pest control etc is all calculated months in advance. They actually got it wrong and the course peaked a week too early and were "fighting" the course the whole week of the 2000 Open.
It's not just a decision made a few days in advance to water or not to water!
Grant85
Head Pro
I'm well aware that things are planned out and action taken weeks and months in advance.
But my point being that even with all that planning and action they have taken, they can still make a few final decisions the week of the tournament when they have an accurate weather forecast.
For whatever reason they elected to have receptive greens for the 1st day. They could easily have looked at the weather and with little wind forecast, elected to have them firmer on the day.
Jacko_G
Blackballed
You're aware but still questioning it???
Ok.
Ok.
Grant85
Head Pro
Questioning the decision to have soft greens yesterday - yes.
It's very unusual to have that at a US Open, unless nature has made that decision for them.
Big_G
Assistant Pro
I don't get people wanting the course tricked up so scores are silly
Nothing wrong with receptive greens and thick rough, it just means you get rewarded for a good shot, and punished for a bad one, isn't that what golf is about?
From what I saw and heard yesterday, the pin positions were quite friendly, something which will likely change over the course of the weekend
Let's leave the dry greens, lucky bounces for the weather lottery that is the British Open
Nothing wrong with receptive greens and thick rough, it just means you get rewarded for a good shot, and punished for a bad one, isn't that what golf is about?
From what I saw and heard yesterday, the pin positions were quite friendly, something which will likely change over the course of the weekend
Let's leave the dry greens, lucky bounces for the weather lottery that is the British Open
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As most know I think the normal set up of US courses for a birdie fest is dull as dishwater but this set up is perfect , nothing wrong with it - it’s rewarding good golf and it punishes poor golf , it’s how the course should be , if it’s calm weather then the players will take advantage of it but there is no need to dry the greens out and get to the stage where good shots were also getting punished. Fine line between carnage and perfect and for me it seems they have it right at the moment
Grant85
Head Pro
Just saw some of the featured groups starting on the back 9.
Greens once again look receptive and I'd say scoring will be similar, if not lower than yesterday.
At the very least, a great opportunity for the morning starters to post scores in the mid 60s, which could stand up if it does get tougher this afternoon.
Greens once again look receptive and I'd say scoring will be similar, if not lower than yesterday.
At the very least, a great opportunity for the morning starters to post scores in the mid 60s, which could stand up if it does get tougher this afternoon.
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Deleted member 15344
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That was always going to be the way so that each player gets the same sort of conditions over the two days and it’s balanced
Grant85
Head Pro
Fair enough. That makes sense.
If that's the case and they leave them to dry out over the weekend, then we could have an absolutely stacked leaderboard by tomorrow evening.
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
What did Leishman just do!
Maybe a part shank.
Maybe a part shank.
Bazz
Q-School Graduate
I hate the west coast tournaments. 
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