Unbeflippinlievable.

[bobmac]

I was having a browse around the interweb thingy about golf instruction...as is my want....
I was trying to find out how much info was available out there about the 5 laws for Joe public to read.
Well knock me down with a haggis.......

I wasn't looking for the old versus new ball flight laws but the 5 laws relating to
Speed
Path
Angle of attack
Club face angle
Centre strikes

What did I find?
Pages and pages of the old rules about aim left/right, clubface at the target.

Not just old stuff from the 70/80s

31st March 2009
USPGA I hasten to add

http://www.majorgolflesson.com/ball-flight-law/

As I was taught the new revised laws, I thought only the old coffin dodgers still taught the old stuff. It would seem not.
An real eye opener.
Just goes to show.....dont believe everything you read on here from the "experts"

 

[Imurg]

Biggest problem with t'interwebbeythingamajig..

Once it's there it's there and you don't have to know what you're talking about to put it there in the first place.

 

[john0]

Are you bored on saturday nights now that X factor is finished bob?

 

[Piece]

This is one example showing how on earth does anyone really know what is right in this game? I can probably count on one hand how many golfers know about ball flight laws, let alone the old and new.

The interweb is a great source of knowledge but also misinformation. You only have to go down the range and over hear other people's thoughts; the majority of it is just rubbish based on pub chat. But then again how do I know I'm right?

Today's golf is so much more about technology and that means a greater understanding is required. You need specialist knowledge in all areas. Just take these for example:

- Shaft technology: length, torque, stiffness, flex, pureing, weight, tipping, soft stepping, etc.
- Club fitting: loft, launch angle, side spin, ball speed, lie, grooves, bounce angle, etc.
- Swing: grip, posture, stack n tilt, swing path, club face angle, wrist cock, weight shift, ball position, etc.
- Balls: two, three, four, five pieces, compression, dimples, aerodynamics, etc.
- Golf tips: everyone has tips, most of them irrelevant to your swing.

This is a massive wealth of knowledge required. And who has it? You can acquire alot through experience, learning from those that know and the Internet. But it's near impossible to know what is right from wrong on the more complex issues.

I guess you have to trust what's written by experts and those you think have the knowledge.

 

[JustOne]

What did I find?
Pages and pages of the old rules about aim left/right, clubface at the target.

Welcome to my world, frustrating isn't it?

I've been trying to help people understand the new ballflight laws for 2 years now yet it's still like trying to swim against the tide.

 

[SocketRocket]

Problem is it takes some technical know how to challenge the myths of golf ball flight. We have been given information on how to hit golf balls by people that have great skills but little understanding of what is actually happening. These golfers say do this but do that and have a distorted view that flies in the face of what the laws of golf ball ballistics show us.

If we followed this line of thinking we would still be concerned with falling off the ends of the earth. Think of what happens at impact and disreguard what happens with our body in the golf swing. This way you will have a clearer understanding of what actually matters.

 

[wull]

i haven't read the link but i wonder if they mean target as in target line or the line you want the ball to start,and this can be left of where you want the ball to finish.

this is exactly what i was meaning and i can shape the ball either and it works well.i obviouly aim the clubface left of the flag but i choose a target where i want to aim the clubface then set up my body left of this and this is my target line.

as luke donald says don't just think 15 yrds left and randomly aim out that way...pick something like a tree behind the green to the left of the flag or even further left depending on the shot ahead.

or maybe they are meaning target as in the flag itself........

 

[MadAdey]

New ball flight laws, old ball flight laws. The old system worked perfectly well for a hell of a long time. Never saw the likes of Nichlaus and Palmer struggling to shape the ball. But I also understand the scientific approach with the new ball flight laws. Go with whatever suits yourself. I have managed for over 20 years now with the old ways so a little bit stand offish when it comes to the new ones. I can shape it left, I can shape it right. I can also cock it up and hit a big hook....

 

[Smiffy]

Welcome to my world, frustrating isn't it?

I've been trying to help people understand the new ballflight laws for 2 years now yet it's still like trying to swim against the tide.

Some people will never listen eh James?

 

[Steve In Spain]

I read and read and read...the signs of a boring old fart who lives alone! However, I too have noticed differences in discussions...and it can be confusing.

Where does one aim?

 

[bobmac]

Steve, I'll write this slowly as I know at your age you cant read very quickly

To fade the ball onto a green, aim your body left of the left bunker. Then point your clubface at the left bunker then see what happens.

 

[One Planer]

.................... And how do I hit it straight :mmm:

 

[Steve In Spain]

Steve, I'll write this slowly as I know at your age you cant read very quickly

To fade the ball onto a green, aim your body left of the left bunker. Then point your clubface at the left bunker then see what happens.

What bunker? It's a bloody tree. I can use a lobbie to go over the bunker, you silly boy!

 

[bobmac]

.................... And how do I hit it straight :mmm:

Ok, just for you...here's the secret
Just dont repeat it to anyone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svDFoBHzM1A

 

[One Planer]

Ok, just for you...here's the secret
Just dont repeat it to anyone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svDFoBHzM1A

Aaaaaahhhhhh Now I've seen that It's all so simple

 

[Mick47]

Aaaaaahhhhhh Now I've seen that It's all so simple

Of course! I've been confusing centifugal force with something else. You wait till I see that (Know all) prat Yoda

 

[AmandaJR]

I was having a browse around the interweb thingy about golf instruction...as is my want....
I was trying to find out how much info was available out there about the 5 laws for Joe public to read.
Well knock me down with a haggis.......

I wasn't looking for the old versus new ball flight laws but the 5 laws relating to
Speed
Path
Angle of attack
Club face angle
Centre strikes

What did I find?
Pages and pages of the old rules about aim left/right, clubface at the target.

Not just old stuff from the 70/80s

31st March 2009
USPGA I hasten to add

http://www.majorgolflesson.com/ball-flight-law/

As I was taught the new revised laws, I thought only the old coffin dodgers still taught the old stuff. It would seem not.
An real eye opener.
Just goes to show.....dont believe everything you read on here from the "experts"

Bob - why is it important for Joe Public to understand these 5 laws and can you point me to somewhere that has them in layman's terms and following modern methodology? Also, as yet I haven't been taught how to shape a ball and feel my swing hasn't been robust enough nor my game in general stable enough to start complex tweaking. I trust Paul 100% and have had a number of lessons which have been getting the basics right and that has paid off tremendously but wonder at what stage things usually move on and such skills are taught? I had a lesson last week as was unhappy with my chipping when loft was required and by the end was almost matching Paul at getting the ball up and over a bush (ridiculously close) and still landing it on the green...so I am adding to my skill set I guess...

 

[CMAC]

Ok, just for you...here's the secret
Just dont repeat it to anyone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svDFoBHzM1A

thats brilliant, why cant all pro's teach this way:clap::rofl:

 

[bobmac]

Bob - why is it important for Joe Public to understand these 5 laws

These are the most important things in golf.

You CAN worry about other stuff if you want to but these are the 5 biggies

Forget everything else for a sec and learn what DIRECTLY influences the ball flight.

They are ...

Speed
Centredness of strike (hitting the sweet spot)
Swing path
Angle of attack
Direction of clubface

Of course lots of things will have an influence on these 5 laws
eg
Grip MIGHT influences clubface angle but a poor grip will not stop you from returning the clubface back to the ball square.
Ball position MIGHT influence angle of attack
Posture MIGHT influence hitting the sweetspot
Alignment MIGHT influence swingpath
Strength MIGHT influence speed

NON OF THE FOLLOWING ARE INCLUDED IN THE LAWS

Shaft flex
weight transfer
grip
stance
posture
bounce
swingweight
cavity back
blades
shaft weight
grip size
shoes
shorts
chippers
shaft pureing
etc etc etc



If you return the club to the ball from a good direction, a good angle of attack and with good speed and you hit the sweet spot with a square clubface, there isn't much more to worry about.

So focus on the 5 laws and stop worrying about stuff the media tells you is important.
And practice
:sbox:

 

[SGC001]

http://quizlet.com/1619293/laws-and-principles-of-the-golf-swing-flash-cards/

Not checked it for accuracy