Two shot penalty

[Tashyboy]

The Open golf: Players guilty of on-course misconduct could face a two-shot penalty

R&A chief executive Mark Darbon says that players guilty of on course misconduct could receive a two-shot penalty at the Open in July.

www.bbc.co.uk

Don’t know if this has been discussed, but the general consensus on the thread is that folk would sooner they looked at slow play and gobby Yanks screaming and bawling.
Good job that not filter down to the amateur game. I would have to sell my clubs.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

The Open golf: Players guilty of on-course misconduct could face a two-shot penalty

R&A chief executive Mark Darbon says that players guilty of on course misconduct could receive a two-shot penalty at the Open in July.

www.bbc.co.uk

Don’t know if this has been discussed, but the general consensus on the thread is that folk would sooner they looked at slow play and gobby Yanks screaming and bawling.
Good job that not filter down to the amateur game. I would have to sell my clubs.

Good I’m all for it, especially if it stops prats like MacIntyre, Sergio and others behaving like petulant children when things don’t go their way.

 

[NearHull]

It’s not going to be without controversy as it a judgement decision that will be based on, yet to be defined, guidelines. The application of a penalty by a referee will inevitably be biased by the referee’s personal ‘standards’.
I do think it is the way forward, but it’s not going to easily applied or perhaps even accepted by some more ‘passionate’ professionals - perhaps even appeals.

It would be fun to see applied in professional football! And…………….back to reality.

 

[Tashyboy]

I wonder if it will Be a penalty applied there and then or after they have got in the clubhouse.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Yes, let's make the game as sanitised as possible...

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Yes, let's make the game as sanitised as possible...

There's a difference between sanitised and professional. A difference between sanitised and acceptable behaviour.

Do you think there should be no restrictions? A free for all? Where do you draw the line?

Can a player damage a tee box, a green, snap a club by hammering it into the ground? Are all of those okay, some not okay?

 

[Mel Smooth]

There's a difference between sanitised and professional. A difference between sanitised and acceptable behaviour.

Do you think there should be no restrictions? A free for all? Where do you draw the line?

Can a player damage a tee box, a green, snap a club by hammering it into the ground? Are all of those okay, some not okay?

I'd draw the line at people insulting other players or people (spectators for example), on the golf course.

If we start trying to take the emotions out of the game by giving two shot penalties for someone showing a bit of raw reaction to a bad shot - then it's unnecessarily sanitising it.

 

[D-S]

I'd draw the line at people insulting other players or people (spectators for example), on the golf course.

If we start trying to take the emotions out of the game by giving two shot penalties for someone showing a bit of raw reaction to a bad shot - then it's unnecessarily sanitising it.

So swearing loudly is perfectly fine and would be perfectly acceptable if a lot of players did it on a regular basis?

Its tiresome enough now with Sky having to apologise constantly for just a couple of serial offenders, if it was a true free for all the sport would become unwatchable.

It seems to me as if some players exploit the fact that others can hold their temper and so this allows them to have the 'bit of a character' reputation and not be sanctioned. A field which was majority Garcia, Macintyre, Hatton etc. would take the sport off the air.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Yes, let's make the game as sanitised as possible...

Asking people to behave isn’t sanitising the game

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I'd draw the line at people insulting other players or people (spectators for example), on the golf course.

If we start trying to take the emotions out of the game by giving two shot penalties for someone showing a bit of raw reaction to a bad shot - then it's unnecessarily sanitising it.

99% of the players can control their emotions perfectly fine

The actions of the likes of Garcia and Bobmac were poor and give a poor image

Dont need to smash the ground or swear your head off

 

[Orikoru]

I think it's good as long as they're not too overzealous with it. Definitely should be given to guys like Sergio Garcia, smashing up tee boxes and bunkers which affects the playing conditions for other players. But I wouldn't want to see it given for something like Bob Mac flicking a middle finger, I just found that a bit cheeky but ultimately doesn't harm anybody. I don't want to see 2-shot penalties for people dropping an F-bomb after a bad shot, that's just human nature and hard to control in the heat of the moment. If it's just for people who go mental and start breaking things or throwing their clubs around, then I'm all for it.

 

[Mel Smooth]

So swearing loudly is perfectly fine and would be perfectly acceptable if a lot of players did it on a regular basis?

Its tiresome enough now with Sky having to apologise constantly for just a couple of serial offenders, if it was a true free for all the sport would become unwatchable.

It seems to me as if some players exploit the fact that others can hold their temper and so this allows them to have the 'bit of a character' reputation and not be sanctioned. A field which was majority Garcia, Macintyre, Hatton etc. would take the sport off the air.

Well, everybody is different aren't they - not all players swear, so suggesting a lot of players might swear is probably not accurate. And, it's just words - so what if a player effs and jeffs a little - certainly in Hatton's case where more often than not it's self depreciating, some of his quips are quite amusing.

 

[Backache]

If they do swear and they don't put down the penalty when they return the card are they disqualified for returning an incorrect score?;-)

 

[Mel Smooth]

Also, you'd bring in a contentious issue with outside interference - you could have spectators purposely attempting to wind up players to get them hit with a 2 shot penalty.

Like Rollback, also mentioned in the article, it's a short sighted proposal made by some men in suits who have an urge to impose some of their own influence on the game.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I guess it comes down to how people see swearing - we already see how some kids act on a football pitch based on how they see players act

Do we really want to see kids on a golf course swearing at bad shots etc

We have a code of conduct all the juniors sign , also a code of conduct on the course and in the bar to restrict swearing etc

Swearing for some is an acceptable part of the English language - for me it still isn’t

 

[timd77]

Swearing doesn’t really bother me, I do it, my playing partners do it, it’s something that’s hard to control. The problem with the pros doing it is that there’s always a chap/chapess stood a few feet away with a big boom microphone thing picking everything up. I imagine if you’re there in person stood 20 feet away you probably couldn’t actually hear what the players have said, it’s not as though they stand there and shout at the top of their voices.

Smashing clubs, the ground, tee markers etc etc is out of order in my opinion because it disrespects the course and can also impact the other players.

 

[Orikoru]

I guess it comes down to how people see swearing - we already see how some kids act on a football pitch based on how they see players act

Do we really want to see kids on a golf course swearing at bad shots etc

We have a code of conduct all the juniors sign , also a code of conduct on the course and in the bar to restrict swearing etc

Swearing for some is an acceptable part of the English language - for me it still isn’t

They obviously will do, because golf is infuriating. That doesn't mean they've learned it from anybody on the TV.

 

[sunshine]

Also, you'd bring in a contentious issue with outside interference - you could have spectators purposely attempting to wind up players to get them hit with a 2 shot penalty.

Like Rollback, also mentioned in the article, it's a short sighted proposal made by some men in suits who have an urge to impose some of their own influence on the game.

I don’t think these men wear suits, more likely blazers and chinos. Apart from that I do actually agree with you. Fines are ok in the vast majority of cases, don’t want an over zealous official affecting a tournament result.

Flip side is we don’t want to see the sort of behaviour that is tolerated on the football pitch. I’ve seen how that trickles down to kids and parents at grassroots level.

 

[jim8flog]

The trouble with swearing is that so many people do it totally out of habit and have done so all their lives and have probably grown up without being reprimanded for it and see it with a lot of adults they know, it has become part of the their 'normal' speech. They would find it very hard to stop, Hatton comes to mind. I have known guys where it has seem to be part of every sentence they ever speak.

When I was young I would get a clip on my head if my dad heard me swear so it never became part of my normal speech but it has not stopped me swearing when the situation called for it.

 

[Billysboots]

It’s entirely possible to be a character, provide entertainment to those watching, and be that little bit different from the norm, without behaving like a petulant, boorish lout.

I don’t want to see the game sanitised. Far from it. But neither do I want to see it as being seen to endorse the likes of Garcia having toddler tantrums.