Two shot penalty

[Lucifer MorningStar]

extreme fringe examples. and yes those could be defined as sanctionable.
However, "player throws club" how far, 10 feet towards their caddy? or 50 feet down the fairway or into water? is there a difference?
2 players smash club down after bad shots, one players club break another is more resilient and doesnt break (same with tee marker). is there a difference?

Fringe examples really they’ve all been witness on tour this year.

No sanction them all and it will eradicate it over time from the game.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

litigious in the context that there could be an appeal process that overturns a decision...disciplinary sanctions get overturned every week in football when red cards are rescinded and even games have been replayed due to high profile refereeing errors so its not a unheard of as you seem to be asserting.

Don’t believe there is an appeals process beyond asking for a second opinion at the time

 

[D-S]

but it is different as its subjective.
penalties in golf are objective.
is your ball OB? yes - penalty
do u have 15 clubs in your bag? yes -penalty
did you ground your club in the bunker? yes - penalty
did the ball move after you addressed it? yes - penalty

this brings in the potential for: unpopular LIV guy swears on 18th tee of final round with a 1 shot lead. penalty. popular hometown player does similar on 8th tee on thursday. no penalty.

There are subjective elements in the rules of golf - whether or not intent is involved in an action or whether a shot is reasonable in the circumstance are both examples of judgement calls a referee has to make.

 

[Highfade]

Don’t believe there is an appeals process beyond asking for a second opinion at the time

yes because up until this point nobody has been threatened with a penalty for 'conduct' before.

 

[Highfade]

Fringe examples really they’ve all been witness on tour this year.

No sanction them all and it will eradicate it over time from the game.

'fringe' in the sense that they are rare.
sanction them all?? remove all emotion and venting from the game? how many penalty shots would you give yourself this year? ive certainly thumped down a club, fortunately didnt break.

 

[Highfade]

That's the same as slow play penalties now. Given to the amatuer no one has heard of, not given to a world top 10 player. That's up to the authorities whether they apply it or not.

would be hell of a brave official to give a penalty to rory in the final group for conduct on the 72nd...or more to the point, didn't.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

yes because up until this point nobody has been threatened with a penalty for 'conduct' before.

Always have had conduct rules - DP Tour has a code of conduct in place and been there a while

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

'fringe' in the sense that they are rare.
sanction them all?? remove all emotion and venting from the game? how many penalty shots would you give yourself this year? ive certainly thumped down a club, fortunately didnt break.

It happens at every event, but you only see it when then big names get broadcast.

You don’t have to remove emotion but as adults you should be better controlled than throwing or slamming a club into the ground so yes sanction them all.

How many shots would I give myself! None!! I don’t throw clubs and I don’t slam clubs, I’ll call myself a name or two and I’ve no issue with people swearing but outward petulant outbursts don’t belong on a golf course. A game that supposedly has high standards of dress and gentlemanly conduct yet people are trying to find excuses for childish behaviour.

 

[Highfade]

It happens at every event, but you only see it when then big names get broadcast.

You don’t have to remove emotion but as adults you should be better controlled than throwing or slamming a club into the ground so yes sanction them all.

How many shots would I give myself! None!! I don’t throw clubs and I don’t slam clubs, I’ll call myself a name or two and I’ve no issue with people swearing but outward petulant outbursts don’t belong on a golf course. A game that supposedly has high standards of dress and gentlemanly conduct yet people are trying to find excuses for childish behaviour.

i think the stakes and pressures at that end of the game are a bit higher than our sunday stableford and as humans that can spill over. but well done you.

"gentlemanly conduct" oops sexist. lol ;P

 

[Lord Tyrion]

would be hell of a brave official to give a penalty to rory in the final group for conduct on the 72nd...or more to the point, didn't.

They are likely to bottle it in reality, as they do with slow play penalties. Golf is spineless on that front, sadly. That's on them though

No harm in having the concept there though, as with slow play.

 

[Highfade]

Always have had conduct rules - DP Tour has a code of conduct in place and been there a while

fair enough...and does current code give officials discretion to impose penalties?...what is the threshold?

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

i think the stakes and pressures at that end of the game are a bit higher than our sunday stableford and as humans that can spill over. but well done you.

"gentlemanly conduct" oops sexist. lol ;P

Stakes are higher and yet you say you were lucky not to break your club by slamming it down. So clearly the stakes are irrelevant, as it happens at club level as well!

Plus it’s even higher if a 2 shot penalty for childish behaviour causes them to miss a cut or lose a tournament. They can’t blame the rules officials for invoking a penalty but they should look at themselves and realise behaving like an idiot is their fault nobody else’s. On that I’ve nothing more that add other than I hope they bring it in and invoke the penalties to make people learn but as we know they can’t enforce slow play so doubt this will even happen.

 

[Orikoru]

Other sports manage. If someone had a meltdown on the 16th, final round, I imagine the referee would be on the walkie talkie straight away and it would be resolved within minutes. Referees decision is final............

No different to a penalty given for other reasons.

Would you really want to see that? McIlroy coming down the 17th on Sunday at the Open, he has a one shot lead but misses the green with his approach and swears, in the heat of the moment due to the pressure at the pinnacle of golf. He gets a 2 shot penalty for swearing and finishes a shot behind the leader. Nah, that would ruin the entire event for me.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

fair enough...and does current code give officials discretion to impose penalties?...what is the threshold?

Yep - and the threshold is the judgement of the tournament referees

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Would you really want to see that? McIlroy coming down the 17th on Sunday at the Open, he has a one shot lead but misses the green with his approach and swears, in the heat of the moment due to the pressure at the pinnacle of golf. He gets a 2 shot penalty for swearing and finishes a shot behind the leader. Nah, that would ruin the entire event for me.

I think it’s going down a rabbit hole when looking to use very specific cases

The players will know what’s acceptable or not as will the tournament officials who make the judgments on any potential incident

 

[Highfade]

I think it’s going down a rabbit hole when looking to use very specific cases

The players will know what’s acceptable or not as will the tournament officials who make the judgments on any potential incident

fair enough...when was the last time a player was sanctioned for conduct? who and for what? just to give an idea of where that bar is

 

[Arthur Wedge]

fair enough...when was the last time a player was sanctioned for conduct? who and for what? just to give an idea of where that bar is

No idea

 

[Highfade]

No idea

so for all the outrageous behaviour that seemingly happens at every event according to some...not a single player has been sanctioned despite there being a clear code of conduct and officials with sanctioning power?

interesting.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Would you really want to see that? McIlroy coming down the 17th on Sunday at the Open, he has a one shot lead but misses the green with his approach and swears, in the heat of the moment due to the pressure at the pinnacle of golf. He gets a 2 shot penalty for swearing and finishes a shot behind the leader. Nah, that would ruin the entire event for me.

What if he does that, doesn't swear, but goes full Happy Gilmore and smashes up the tee box?

I think most of us know what the line is. Swearing is unlikely to get a 2 shot penalty, depending on context, but smashing a tee box, bunker lip or green...........

i think the authorities are seeing a slight spike in behaviour and want to nip it in the bud. I'm not expecting to see an avalanche of penalties here.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

so for all the outrageous behaviour that seemingly happens at every event according to some...not a single player has been sanctioned despite there being a clear code of conduct and officials with sanctioning power?

interesting.

I don’t know if anyone has been sanctioned on the DP tour , i suspect it’s prob not something that is reported and I don’t think anyone has said there is outrageous behaviour at every event

There were two incidents at a recent very high profile major and suspect the organisers don’t want to see it happen regularly