TRUMP, What the hell is going on

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...the right words about condemning racism, bigotry and white supremacism...will he retrospectively condemn himself or apologise if he accepts that by his words and actions in the past he has encouraged those he condemns today. Maybe...
 
President Donald Trump has said the gunman in the El Paso mass shooting was consumed "by racist hate" and the US must "condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy",

He ticks all 3 of these :ROFLMAO:
 
He even got the City one of the shootings happened in wrong 🤦‍♂️

He really is a beacon of how insular and racist a good number of septics are.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
He even got the City one of the shootings happened in wrong 🤦‍♂️

He really is a beacon of how insular and racist a good number of septics are.
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Seems from what I heard that he was reading very carefully what had been written for him...but he was rather slow and hesitant in his delivery - and oh so deep and meaningful. I hesitate to suggest that some of the words and emotion coming out of his mouth were rather inconsistent with words and emotions of the last few weeks especially.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I agree but do think it matters what he says (or doesn't say) and our governments response.

Plenty of folks in the UK just love him and what he is to for/to the USA; his rhetoric and actions fit easily with the thinking of too many in this country. He should be called out on what he says and does; much of what he says in respect of immigrants (the issue is valid) is unacceptable and should never be allowed to become acceptable here. Our government should not be afraid to call 'foul' when his words or actions (or lack of them) go over the line into what we in this country have traditionally viewed as unacceptable - if his views take hold here we risk corrupting that which is core to what is held dear about 'Britishness'.

We should be wary of getting too close to him - 'He who sups with the Devil should have a long spoon' seems so very apt for Johnson looking to make deals with Trump.
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Do you have any basis to make those assumptions about Trump's approval ratings both in the US and in the UK? You sound obsessed by Trump and seem to want to be the moral compass for his position as POTUS. In that respect, like me and just about everyone else, you're not even an insignificant speck of sand in the great scheme of global politics.

Its not hard to find the various polls giving the approval ratings both in the US and in the UK.

1) His approval rating in the US, for all his noise about the best president ever, is well below the typical presidential rating of 53%, and significantly below that of Obama.
2) His approval rating in the UK is also very poor - how often have you seen a POTUS receive the negative demonstrations like those in London for his 2 visits.
3) I'm sure if you could be bothered to search for news of the response by the UK govt to some of his pronouncements you will find he has been called out.

Calm down or you'll bust a blood vessel. The world is well capable of recognising idiots, and the ratings for Trump clearly suggest the silent majority are well aware of what he is.
 
Hobbit said:
Do you have any basis to make those assumptions about Trump's approval ratings both in the US and in the UK? You sound obsessed by Trump and seem to want to be the moral compass for his position as POTUS. In that respect, like me and just about everyone else, you're not even an insignificant speck of sand in the great scheme of global politics.

Its not hard to find the various polls giving the approval ratings both in the US and in the UK.

1) His approval rating in the US, for all his noise about the best president ever, is well below the typical presidential rating of 53%, and significantly below that of Obama.
2) His approval rating in the UK is also very poor - how often have you seen a POTUS receive the negative demonstrations like those in London for his 2 visits.
3) I'm sure if you could be bothered to search for news of the response by the UK govt to some of his pronouncements you will find he has been called out.

Calm down or you'll bust a blood vessel. The world is well capable of recognising idiots, and the ratings for Trump clearly suggest the silent majority are well aware of what he is.
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You are right. The evidence I have is nothing more than the evidence of my ears. And I have heard a lot of contributors to LBC over the last three years expressing admiration for Trump - especially in his approach to negotiation, immigration and 'country first'. I am not suggesting for one moment that there is a majority supporting Trump in the UK - that is why I simply said that there are many who support Trump. Unfortunately some of these many are very influential in UK politics.

I simply hold up Farage as the #1 case in point.

Fortunately I have hope that BJ Ltd. do not feel the admiration for, and draw of, Trump that is articulated by such as he. And so with that hope I remain calm :)
 
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gmc40 said:
What a difference. He’s 10 times the man of the current president.
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Sorry but I don’t think the biggest Presidential dud in living memory should be commenting at all, during his two terms he did nothing to address the guns issue, and even less success in tackling racism in America. The guy will go down as a massive disappointment with no lasting legacy. What a wasted opportunity he was.


Edit. Not a Trump fan btw.
 
Is LBC a popular station? Just London isn't it? Is it purely a talk station?
(Appreciate this is a slight side track but Hogie quotes it quite often. Doesn't hit my radar apart from his posts)
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Is LBC a popular station? Just London isn't it? Is it purely a talk station?
(Appreciate this is a slight side track but Hogie quotes it quite often. Doesn't hit my radar apart from his posts)
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Been growing in popularity post the vote... Using self opinionated presenters (shock jocks) seems to be doing the trick for them...

Not for me... If only KB could be on all day...
 
Fade and Die said:
Sorry but I don’t think the biggest Presidential dud in living memory should be commenting at all, during his two terms he did nothing to address the guns issue, and even less success in tackling racism in America. The guy will go down as a massive disappointment with no lasting legacy. What a wasted opportunity he was.


Edit. Not a Trump fan btw.
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Obama's biggest legacy saw universal healthcare in the US. A tremendous step forward for America. And what did Trump do with it? UH was very decisive in the US, and was often compared with benefit scroungers by one party and heralded from the roof tops by many. I have quite a few golf buddies over there, and to hear them argue for and against both Trump, gun laws and UH is very revealing.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
You are right. The evidence I have is nothing more than the evidence of my ears. And I have heard a lot of contributors to LBC over the last three years expressing admiration for Trump - especially in his approach to negotiation, immigration and 'country first'. I am not suggesting for one moment that there is a majority supporting Trump in the UK - that is why I simply said that there are many who support Trump. Unfortunately some of these many are very influential in UK politics.

I simply hold up Farage as the #1 case in point.

Fortunately I have hope that BJ Ltd. do not feel the admiration for, and draw of, Trump that is articulated by such as he. And so with that hope I remain calm :)
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Farage? Remind me how many times he's tried to become an MP. I repeat, the silent majority aren't as daft as you think.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Is LBC a popular station? Just London isn't it? Is it purely a talk station?
(Appreciate this is a slight side track but Hogie quotes it quite often. Doesn't hit my radar apart from his posts)
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It's no longer London - they 'cunningly' changed the meaning of LBC to Leading Britain's Conversation - so cover UK-wide and Global questions.

A real mix of presenters - any station that has weekdays Nick Ferrari, James O'Brien, Shelagh Fogerty, Eddie Mair, Iain Dale and Clive Bull will give a good airing, and interrogation, of views from across the political and social spectrum - and IMO none fit the mold of the traditional view of a 'shock jock'.

Just a pity they give too much airtime to Rees-Mogg and Farage - and try listening to Farage's callers 6-7pm weekdays except for days he's in Brussels slagging off the EU or in the USA sucking up to Trump... :rolleyes:
 
Hobbit said:
Obama's biggest legacy saw universal healthcare in the US. A tremendous step forward for America. And what did Trump do with it? UH was very decisive in the US, and was often compared with benefit scroungers by one party and heralded from the roof tops by many. I have quite a few golf buddies over there, and to hear them argue for and against both Trump, gun laws and UH is very revealing.
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Not really a legacy though was it? He went for the Affordable Care Act rather than Medicare for All which was easily (and predictably) overturned by the next Republican President. Also he borrowed almost as much as all the other presidents since Washington combined! ... maybe that’s his real legacy?
 
Trump and his cronies (Bolton et al) spouting all sorts of stuff about UK being first in lone for a trade deal. Well as our friends from Seattle (and of 25+yrs residency in the USA) told us night before last - putting through trade deals are nothing to do with Trump and Bolton - it's up to Congress. And so Nancy Pelosi tells us yesterday that the Congress (as it is comprised today) will never vote through any trade deal if UK leaves the EU in a manner than undermines the Good Friday Agreement.

And our friends tell us that the Dems in the Senate would filibuster it even if it did get through Congress.

Aside - our friends are seriously concerned abut how close the USA is to almost 'civil war' at the moment in the context pf the Trump Presidency. One of the couple works in Public Service Radio as a Regional Managing Editor - and she tells us that the stuff that she is seeing and hearing from her folks on the ground and through social media is really not good at all - actually very scary.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Trump and his cronies (Bolton et al) spouting all sorts of stuff about UK being first in lone for a trade deal. Well as our friends from Seattle (and of 25+yrs residency in the USA) told us night before last - putting through trade deals are nothing to do with Trump and Bolton - it's up to Congress. And so Nancy Pelosi tells us yesterday that the Congress (as it is comprised today) will never vote through any trade deal if UK leaves the EU in a manner than undermines the Good Friday Agreement.

And our friends tell us that the Dems in the Senate would filibuster it even if it did get through Congress.
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Maybe they just forgot...
 
Before people jump into full crisis mode, perhaps only 1 person is, if the US want to go with WTO with the UK then their exports will be as tricky to sell as ours over there. Once again, this is a mutually beneficial or mutually destructive situation.

US farmers are currently struggling on the export front following the trade war with China. They will be keen for the govt to do a deal with the UK that would help them to sell over here.
 
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