The Tennis Thread

[Arthur Wedge]

Really? It's kind of obvious.

Surely we should be applauding a simply superb performance in the final

Swiatek was brilliant as much as the other girl froze

But basing prize money on how long someone plays for

If a Ladies match goes to three sets and the men’s is done and dusted after 3 is that then ok ?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

The men's final is rarely over in 3 sets but fundamentally, best of 3 or best of 5 is a different offering.

Today was 57 minutes, that's dreadful. Last year's men's final was straight sets, still 2hrs 27. The year before was 5 sets, 4hrs 40. You are getting twice the length of time on average, twice the entertainment. Check the last 10 years finals duration, I can't be bothered because I'm confident of the answer, and see the difference.

Fair play to the women for getting this but it makes no sense.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Stadium is full to watch the final , why shouldn’t they get the same prize money ,

Do you honestly believe it’s down to how many are in the stadium?

They could play in a empty stadium,it’s all about tv,same with any sport

 

[Arthur Wedge]

The men's final is rarely over in 3 sets but fundamentally, best of 3 or best of 5 is a different offering.

Today was 57 minutes, that's dreadful. Last year's men's final was straight sets, still 2hrs 27. The year before was 5 sets, 4hrs 40. You are getting twice the length of time on average, twice the entertainment. Check the last 10 years finals duration, I can't be bothered because I'm confident of the answer, and see the difference.

Fair play to the women for getting this but it makes no sense.

When it comes to Wimbledon they make a fortune in ticket sales and sponsorship etc and the ladies are part of that as well - Finals day on the Saturday is full and people are watching it on the sofa

We look at other sports where there is the demand for equal pay and the ladies are playing in front two men and a dog and not helping to bring in the money

At Wimbledon they do so I think it’s somewhere that equal pay is certainly more deserving - the final could just as easily be a 3 set thriller lasting 3 hours like it has in the past with Williams sisters or it could be done in a flash - I don’t it should be judging on how long the final is

It is a shame though that there is zero talk about how well the winner played and instead just moans about how much money the ladies won

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I'd say it's prejudiced against the men.
I find it utterly beyond belief, how did it ever happen ......................... and who let it happen?

Prejudiced against men ? They haven’t lost their prize money or have any drop ,their prize money has increased regularly so how is it prejudice against men ? They are being treated differently based on the sex - very dangerous ground

 

[Pin-seeker]

When it comes to Wimbledon they make a fortune in ticket sales and sponsorship etc and the ladies are part of that as well - Finals day on the Saturday is full and people are watching it on the sofa

We look at other sports where there is the demand for equal pay and the ladies are playing in front two men and a dog and not helping to bring in the money

At Wimbledon they do so I think it’s somewhere that equal pay is certainly more deserving - the final could just as easily be a 3 set thriller lasting 3 hours like it has in the past with Williams sisters or it could be done in a flash - I don’t it should be judging on how long the final is

It is a shame though that there is zero talk about how well the winner played and instead just moans about how much money the ladies won

What are the viewing figures for the men’s & women’s final?
Is it really a shame?
Just a debate

 

[Neilds]

Are those that are saying that women should get less prize money because they are playing shorter matches also campaigning for women golfers to get paid the same as men as they all play 72 holes?

 

[Slime]

Stadium is full to watch the final , why shouldn’t they get the same prize money ,

Seriously?

 

[Slime]

Prejudiced against men ? They haven’t lost their prize money or have any drop ,their prize money has increased regularly so how is it prejudice against men ? They are being treated differently based on the sex - very dangerous ground

Certainly not a good example of equal rights, is it.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Are those that are saying that women should get less prize money because they are playing shorter matches also campaigning for women golfers to get paid the same as men as they all play 72 holes?

Genuine question,why are they playing shorter matches?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Seriously?

So should women rugby , football , golf , cricket etc all get the same money as the men’s ad they play the same amount of minutes or holes etc

Certainly not a good example of equal rights, is it.

I’m not sure a man can be complaining too much about equals rights when it’s been biased very much in their favour for centuries

The winner of the men’s title gets the same as the winner of the ladies title - that’s equals rights

 

[Pin-seeker]

So should women rugby , football , golf , cricket etc all get the same money as the men’s ad they play the same amount of minutes or holes etc



I’m not sure a man can be complaining too much about equals rights when it’s been biased very much in their favour for centuries

The winner of the men’s title gets the same as the winner of the ladies title - that’s equals rights

That’s not how it works.
It’s not about balancing out over what’s happened for centuries.
That wouldn’t be equal rights.

 

[Slime]

The winner of the men’s title gets the same as the winner of the ladies title - that’s equals rights

To quote a great mens champion, "You cannot be serious!"
You might have an inkling of a point if they played the same game, but they don't.
Best of 5 sets vs best of 3 sets is hardly equal, is it?
And then there's the speed, strength and intensity differences which are immense.
It's a different game using the same set of rules.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

To quote a great mens champion, "You cannot be serious!"
You might have an inkling of a point if they played the same game, but they don't.
Best of 5 sets vs best of 3 sets is hardly equal, is it?
And then there's the speed, strength and intensity differences which are immense.
It's a different game using the same set of rules.

They are playing the same game

So a women sporting star would never be good enough to earn as much as a man because they aren’t as quick or strong

What about skill levels

And I have seen plenty of lady tennis matches that are high in intensity

So you are ok with the Ladies Open in golf getting the same prize money as the men

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Prize money comes down to a combination of factors but a prime one is interest in the game. Spectator interest, leading to commercial interest. If people want to make the argument of equal prize money they need to show equal money generation. That's the cold hard truth of it.

Playing the same game. They are playing the same game only in the same sense as I play the same game of golf as Rory McIlroy. It's the same but different. Watch yesterday's final and the Sinner v Alcaraz today. A world of difference. It does no favours to try to make direct comparisons.

 

[Slime]

They are playing the same game

So a women sporting star would never be good enough to earn as much as a man because they aren’t as quick or strong

What about skill levels

And I have seen plenty of lady tennis matches that are high in intensity

So you are ok with the Ladies Open in golf getting the same prize money as the men

Does it generate the same levels of income and interest?
No ....................... so, no.
Anyone's income as a sports person should be proportional to the income they generate.
That's why male footballers get paid more than women footballers ........................ they generate far more income than women because they generate more interest.
But that's straying from the point, which is about the tennis.
The men should, obviously, get paid more than the women because they're playing for longer, 5 sets vs 3 sets.
I know of no other mainstream sport where there is such a strange prize money situation.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Does it generate the same levels of income and interest?
No ....................... so, no.
Anyone's income as a sports person should be proportional to the income they generate.
That's why male footballers get paid more than women footballers ........................ they generate far more income than women because they generate more interest.
But that's straying from the point, which is about the tennis.
The men should, obviously, get paid more than the women because they're playing for longer, 5 sets vs 3 sets.
I know of no other mainstream sport where there is such a strange prize money situation.

So you are going back to income created

What’s the difference between the revenue generated at Wimbledon for the men’s and ladies ?

It seems like if ladies play the same amount of time or holes as the men the money should be proportional to the revenue generated which is fair

But when it comes to Wimbledon where this revenue is joint then they are paid by how long they play ?

 

[Slime]

So you are going back to income created

What’s the difference between the revenue generated at Wimbledon for the men’s and ladies ?

It seems like if ladies play the same amount of time or holes as the men the money should be proportional to the revenue generated which is fair

But when it comes to Wimbledon where this revenue is joint then they are paid by how long they play ?

Hey, I'm not going to ruin this thread any further with our constant back and forth arguments.
You think you're right and I know I'm right.
Let's just leave it there, this thread should be about the tennis, not players' relative earnings.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Tough to watch three things but the first set was superb and what a point from both players on the final point

https://twitter.com/x/status/1944429625070817606

 

[Slime]

Okay, so they've been on court for over two hours, it's extremely hot, the tennis is often remarkable and they're playing with absolute strength and intensity ......................... two gladiators, if you will.

My questions are thus;
Why do they not appear to be perspiring?
What are they made of?
Has no one told them it's bloody hot out there?