TRUMP, What the hell is going on

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Foxholer said:
And you appear to opening both yourself and GM up to some serious legal recourse!
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How'd you work that out? I've shared some freely available legal documents, depositions from two trials that explicitly name him, quotes from Trump himself and previously proven accusations against him. What exactly does that open me up to?
 
Dan2501 said:
How'd you work that out? I've shared some freely available legal documents, depositions from two trials that explicitly name him, quotes from Trump himself and previously proven accusations against him. What exactly does that open me up to?
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If you can't see - from the extract from your post that have quoted above - there's no point me telling you!
 
Lord Tyrion said:
If the Democrats engage their brains and put up even a half decent candidate then there must be enough Americans who will be embarrassed by Trump that they will vote him out. If they put someone up who is on the left of the party then I think he will get in again. Core Trump voters will back him whatever. It is the people in the middle that will jump ship if there is a decent alternative.

It is a big election for the US.
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The Democrats need to wake up to the fact you need the support of the wider electorate not just the party faithful to get into office...
 
MegaSteve said:
The Democrats need to wake up to the fact you need the support of the wider electorate not just the party faithful to get into office...
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Well - Trump has never got his popularity above 50% - his core plus 10-15%.

The popular vote in the last Presidential Election reflected that - with the electoral college giving him the victory with a minority of the vote. Just how it is. The risk to the Dems is that Trump is spouting what he is as a deliberate ploy to force the Dems into outrage and to support 'the Squad' - and that is just what they are doing. Many who would otherwise not support Trump, and who actually hate what Trump is saying, actually dislike even more some of the things that 'the Squad' are saying - especially when spun by Trump. And when these voters are in the swing states - Electoral College won but a minority of popular vote - job done. PotUS 2nd term.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Well - Trump has never got his popularity above 50% - his core plus 10-15%.

The popular vote in the last Presidential Election reflected that - with the electoral college giving him the victory with a minority of the vote. Just how it is. The risk to the Dems is that Trump is spouting what he is as a deliberate ploy to force the Dems into outrage and to support 'the Squad' - and that is just what they are doing. Many who would otherwise not support Trump, and who actually hate what Trump is saying, actually dislike even more some of the things that 'the Squad' are saying - especially when spun by Trump. And when these voters are in the swing states - Electoral College won but a minority of popular vote - job done. PotUS 2nd term.
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Lots of words... However, it was obvious very early on in the process, to all but the party faithful, Hilary Clinton (as POTUS) was a scary proposition to the wider electorate...
 
MegaSteve said:
Lots of words... However, it was obvious very early on in the process, to all but the party faithful, Hilary Clinton (as POTUS) was a scary proposition to the wider electorate...
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As Trump has said in respect of whatever he says, that Dems and others find controversial, the voters out there agree with him. That conclusion might be indigestible for many - but that's the shtick of a populist politician.
 
I have watched a few discussions on this issue and dislike this phrase being used now "Women(People) of colour" isn't that everyone?
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
As Trump has said in respect of whatever he says, that Dems and others find controversial, the voters out there agree with him. That conclusion might be indigestible for many - but that's the shtick of a populist politician.
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Being a 'popular' politician in a democratic system seems a good basic starting point 👍
 
Kellfire said:
But he lost the popular vote...
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That can happen in the US system, it can happen in our system as well. It doesn't matter, he won enough, he convinced enough Americans in the right locations. He targetted areas he knew he could turn, he didn't bother with those he knew he could not. He played the game smarter than the Democrats. Do you think he cares that he didn't win more votes?
 
Lord Tyrion said:
That can happen in the US system, it can happen in our system as well. It doesn't matter, he won enough, he convinced enough Americans in the right locations. He targetted areas he knew he could turn, he didn't bother with those he knew he could not. He played the game smarter than the Democrats. Do you think he cares that he didn't win more votes?
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Only countering the idea that he’s the popular choice.
 
jp5 said:
The US has fallen a long way in 10 years...

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It's just a general dumbification of politics where potential leaders just pander to and prey on the base fears and worries of their supporters, with the main intention being to get elected and cultivate your cult like following. You just know that if Trump had the same questions he would agree with them and further perpetuate the lies at one of his rallies. And I fear some people in our political system are seeing the success and thinking, I'll have a bit of that.
 
And so we have yesterday evening at a Trump rally - the new "Lock her Up"? Unfortunately this is not unbelievable as it is exactly what Trump had intended - his core think as he says...no matter how unconscionable his and their behaviour seems to those who abhor racism.

https://www.theguardian.com/global/...back-as-donald-trump-attacks-ilhan-omar-video

Dems need to focus on Trump's relationship with Epstein and what Trump was up to with Epstein back then.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
And so we have yesterday evening at a Trump rally - the new "Lock her Up"? Unfortunately this is not unbelievable as it is exactly what Trump had intended - his core think as he says...no matter how unconscionable his and their behaviour seems to those who abhor racism.

https://www.theguardian.com/global/...back-as-donald-trump-attacks-ilhan-omar-video

Dems need to focus on Trump's relationship with Epstein and what Trump was up to with Epstein back then.
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If the Democrats have any sense they will focus on selecting the correct candidate to run again the Donald in the 2020 Presidential Election.

Anything else would be mental IMO.
 
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