Kellfire
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That’s what I said...
TRUMP, What the hell is going on
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That’s what I said...
Old age...or I need a visit to Specsavers.
Tashyboy
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So Jezza is invited to a ball with the Queen and the POTUS. Jezza decides agonist going. However Jezza then thinks it is a good idea to have a meeting with the POTUS. What planet does he live on. Wonder what Jezzas thoughts are knowing Mr Trump is having a beer with Mr Farage as we speak.
I bet her parents had to tie a steak around her neck so the family dog played with her
Kellfire
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You sure do help to dispel the myth of brexiteers being nasty pieces of judgemental trash...
Bit harsh Mark... argue the point, hell yes, but using words like "nasty pieces of judgemental trash...." kinda makes you look the same...?
Kellfire
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Just seems harsh because I’ll say it to them rather than about them on another forum where they’ll never see it, a la them.
And yea, I’ll be nasty where it’s warranted and those involved have already shown the level of their thought processes.
What was it you said about the freedom of speech...? Quite rightly it comes with a responsibility to use it wisely, and that should include respectfully. I could say something glib, like the irony meter is on overload. When you use extremes to make a point, you yourself become an extremist, and in becoming an extremist you also get viewed in the same vein as those you wish to denigrate.
Kellfire
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I know that certain people are lost to any sort of rehabilitation in regards to their views of Brexit so entering any sort of debate is a fruitless endeavour. For people in that camp, I’ll easily sink into full on denigration because (in my opinion) it’s all their views on that topic are worth. I make no apology for that. They believe they’re right, so they’ll pour equal scorn on me.
On this particular issue, can you disagree with my assessment of what was said...
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Unfortunately the anti trump supporters seen today are deluded enough to believe that their extremist ways are justified ..... They don't see the irony.
Yes I do disagree with your assessment. I see it a laddish behaviour, and not in the extreme way you do. I feel you take it too literally. However, I do find your response extreme, and displays a level of cynicism with life that is unhealthy.
There are zealots in both camps. I view both as peas in a pod.
There was a really good article in one of the papers over the weekend about how anything seems fair game in the debate and how respect has disappeared as each side ratchets it up trying to be top dog. People decry the circus that is Westminster, with all sides braying at each other, and then do that very same thing.
No one can take the higher moral ground if they do exactly the same thing. Calling people thick, racists etc just sees a metaphorical mirror held up in front of them.
Kellfire
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If I asked you the simple question, which I will admit is based on opinion because there is no hard evidence to back it up, of “Who do you think are collectively more informed, intelligent and educated - people who voted for Brexit or people who voted against Brexit?†would you answer honestly?
drdel
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To get a sensible answer you need to ask a sensible question....
I would answer honestly. I feel there are intelligent people in both camps. I also think that across the demographic, people voted for different reasons. Some intelligent Leavers have admitted that they expect to see the economy dip but in the long term they feel the UK would be better off out of the EU. Equally, we've all heard some rabid Leavers being interviewed on TV who are clearly racist thugs. I think many northerners have been let down by successive governments, many of which have championed EU funding for projects that have never got north of Watford Gap, who felt that the current European model isn't working for them.
And there are Remainers whose arrogance in pigeon holing Leavers as thick racists and that the old shouldn't be allowed to vote truly sicken me. Many base it on Guardian-esque headlines of how many degree holders voted Remain 'v' Leave without any definitive proof. Many Remainers argue that democracy will only be served by having a second referendum... that'll be the same democracy they want to use to take the vote off the older generation. Sounds like the start of the 4th Reich to me.
The Remain campaign was disappointingly poor(how intelligent was that) in not showing the true benefits of being in the EU AND the actual net contribution to the EU. £14bn paid. Rebate of almost £5bn suggests that the UK still pays a huge amount. By the time you look at the funding for projects, which many argue is the UK only getting its own money back, the actual net payment to the EU is just over £2bn.
At the end of the day people are trying to benchmark the quality of the decision based on intelligence, and I feel that sort of discrimination is ignorant.
drdel
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I see the EU has agreed funding aid to car plants in Slovakia, growing jobs there while JLR shed UK staff.
Bring on the USA trade deal.
Bring on the USA trade deal.
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What US trade deal ? There isn’t one and I suspect anyone will be full of benefits for the US
What do people think we will get from the US that will make us significantly better than any deal we would have done with the EU etc
What do they have that will be easily transported across the big ocean ( as opposed to in lorries across the little sea ) ?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/04/business/uk-us-trade-deal-trump/index.html
Old news from Oct last year. €125m to JLR to stop(bribe) them to not take manufacturing to Mexico.
SocketRocket
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The part of your post picked out in Bold can be directed at yourself, you are entrenched in your views of Brexit. Your suggestion that those holding a different view to yours need rehabilitation but are lost to it smacks of a bigotry and arrogance beyond what one would expect in a level headed person. You really need to reflect on your attitude and humanity.
SocketRocket
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Of course there isnt one yet. He said 'Bring it on'
larmen
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Trump talked s**t about his wife, and previously about his mother. Would you attend?
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