TRUMP, What the hell is going on

[SocketRocket]

Trump talked s**t about his wife, and previously about his mother. Would you attend?

If he wants to be financed by the tax payer he needs to step up to the plate

 

[Deleted member 16999]

If he wants to be financed by the tax payer he needs to step up to the plate

I suggest serving his Country in Afghan is more than stepping up to the plate!
How many spineless brown nosing politicians have served their Country and put their life on the line like him? Farage? Johnson?

 

[Tashyboy]

Unfortunately the anti trump supporters seen today are deluded enough to believe that their extremist ways are justified ..... They don't see the irony.

As I said to Missis T when they started lobbing milk shakes about again. They don't see the irony.

 

[Fade and Die]

If I asked you the simple question, which I will admit is based on opinion because there is no hard evidence to back it up, of “Who do you think are collectively more informed, intelligent and educated - people who voted for Brexit or people who voted against Brexit?” would you answer honestly?

Them facists screaming “Nazi” today seemed like your sort of people... intolerant and ignorant, probably remainers to a man/woman.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1135920855396093952

 

[SocketRocket]

I suggest serving his Country in Afghan is more than stepping up to the plate!
How many spineless brown nosing politicians have served their Country and put their life on the line like him? Farage? Johnson?

Here you go again, why not mention Corbyn and whats milàtry service got to do with his royal responsibilities. Dont bite the hand that feeds you

 

[Tashyboy]

I would answer honestly. I feel there are intelligent people in both camps. I also think that across the demographic, people voted for different reasons. Some intelligent Leavers have admitted that they expect to see the economy dip but in the long term they feel the UK would be better off out of the EU. Equally, we've all heard some rabid Leavers being interviewed on TV who are clearly racist thugs. I think many northerners have been let down by successive governments, many of which have championed EU funding for projects that have never got north of Watford Gap, who felt that the current European model isn't working for them.

And there are Remainers whose arrogance in pigeon holing Leavers as thick racists and that the old shouldn't be allowed to vote truly sicken me. Many base it on Guardian-esque headlines of how many degree holders voted Remain 'v' Leave without any definitive proof. Many Remainers argue that democracy will only be served by having a second referendum... that'll be the same democracy they want to use to take the vote off the older generation. Sounds like the start of the 4th Reich to me.

The Remain campaign was disappointingly poor(how intelligent was that) in not showing the true benefits of being in the EU AND the actual net contribution to the EU. £14bn paid. Rebate of almost £5bn suggests that the UK still pays a huge amount. By the time you look at the funding for projects, which many argue is the UK only getting its own money back, the actual net payment to the EU is just over £2bn.

At the end of the day people are trying to benchmark the quality of the decision based on intelligence, and I feel that sort of discrimination is ignorant.

This all day long. And I would imagine that 99% of the population falls into these groups of people mentioned. The other 1% being those that know now what they didn't know then. Hmm degree in hindsight springs to mind.
The problem is with the EU remain or Brexit debate is for me. It is based on people's opinions. Facts seem to of been secondary. Predominantly, have I been affected by the EU. Some have some haven't. But it is based on people's experiences and opinions. However

When i worked in the pits/coal mining industry, from the day I started in 1979, to the day I finished in 2015, it was a constant battle with Labour and Tory governments to keep pits open, to keep a mining industry going. It was generally accepted that the miners won the battle in a sense that pits could run at a profit. But the Tories won the war because they didn't want Coal, and did everything they could to stack the odds against this country producing coal. Facts never entered into it. Protecting people's jobs and communities of a quarter of a million people never came into it

What I am trying to say is that it don't matter whether this country voted leave or remain. There are people in both camps and others that are prepared to lie, disregard democracy, have there own agenda or do whatever it takes to get there own way. Right or wrong dosent come into it. Remain or Brexit don't come into it. People, politicians have there own agenda. On that list you can put, in no order Cameron, May, Corbyn, Farage, Obama, Trump, Boris, Jimmy Krankie, etc etc. And 99% of the U.K. Have to deal with the *** that these people are peddling on a day to day basis.

 

[MegaSteve]

Respect has to be earned...
It doesn't come with a job title...
Even POTUS...

 

[Crazyface]

I would answer honestly. I feel there are intelligent people in both camps. I also think that across the demographic, people voted for different reasons. Some intelligent Leavers have admitted that they expect to see the economy dip but in the long term they feel the UK would be better off out of the EU. Equally, we've all heard some rabid Leavers being interviewed on TV who are clearly racist thugs. I think many northerners have been let down by successive governments, many of which have championed EU funding for projects that have never got north of Watford Gap, who felt that the current European model isn't working for them.

And there are Remainers whose arrogance in pigeon holing Leavers as thick racists and that the old shouldn't be allowed to vote truly sicken me. Many base it on Guardian-esque headlines of how many degree holders voted Remain 'v' Leave without any definitive proof. Many Remainers argue that democracy will only be served by having a second referendum... that'll be the same democracy they want to use to take the vote off the older generation. Sounds like the start of the 4th Reich to me.

The Remain campaign was disappointingly poor(how intelligent was that) in not showing the true benefits of being in the EU AND the actual net contribution to the EU. £14bn paid. Rebate of almost £5bn suggests that the UK still pays a huge amount. By the time you look at the funding for projects, which many argue is the UK only getting its own money back, the actual net payment to the EU is just over £2bn.

At the end of the day people are trying to benchmark the quality of the decision based on intelligence, and I feel that sort of discrimination is ignorant.

Excellent post!!! Especially the bold bit. They were rubbish and it's their own fault we are where we are. also the Northern part of England have been left out of development for too long. All the money going into London, Cross Rail??? HS2 will never reach the North. Once at Birmingham funding will be withdrawn, leaving the North out of things again.
Donald would not left this happen. He's done just what he said he would, so will win again.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Here you go again, why not mention Corbyn and whats milàtry service got to do with his royal responsibilities. Dont bite the hand that feeds you

You can’t help it can you!
Does Corbyn support Trump? Is Corbyn brown nosing Trump?

The irony of you accusing me of bringing Labour and Corbyn in to debate all the time is hilarious.

As for the “Don’t bite the hands that feeds you” that’s just pathetic.

 

[Leftie]

Ye gods. Just how paranoid are Americans?

Just flown overhead - 1 x police helicopter, 2 x "Air Force 1" helicopters, 3 x Chinooks, 1 x police helicopter.

On their way up to London, I suppose, to take him somewhere.

 

[Rooter]

Ye gods. Just how paranoid are Americans?

Just flown overhead - 1 x police helicopter, 2 x "Air Force 1" helicopters, 3 x Chinooks, 1 x police helicopter.

On their way up to London, I suppose, to take him somewhere.

He is in Pompey today.

I watched the video posted above, my first thought was, do these people not have a job? what gives them the right to aggressively shout 'nazi scum' at a bloke? they are not as 'bad as him' they are a whole lot worse! An embarrassment to the country and themselves.

 

[Foxholer]

Excellent post!!!....

If I asked you the simple question, which I will admit is based on opinion because there is no hard evidence to back it up, of “Who do you think are collectively more informed, intelligent and educated - people who voted for Brexit or people who voted against Brexit?” would you answer honestly?

I would answer honestly. I feel there are intelligent people in both camps. I also think that across the demographic, people voted for different reasons. Some intelligent Leavers have admitted that they expect to see the economy dip but in the long term they feel the UK would be better off out of the EU. Equally, we've all heard some rabid Leavers being interviewed on TV who are clearly racist thugs. I think many northerners have been let down by successive governments, many of which have championed EU funding for projects that have never got north of Watford Gap, who felt that the current European model isn't working for them.

And there are Remainers whose arrogance in pigeon holing Leavers as thick racists and that the old shouldn't be allowed to vote truly sicken me. Many base it on Guardian-esque headlines of how many degree holders voted Remain 'v' Leave without any definitive proof. Many Remainers argue that democracy will only be served by having a second referendum... that'll be the same democracy they want to use to take the vote off the older generation. Sounds like the start of the 4th Reich to me.
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At the end of the day people are trying to benchmark the quality of the decision based on intelligence, and I feel that sort of discrimination is ignorant.

Unfortunately, the original question was bordering on the 'obscene'!

 

[User62651]

Once the decision (be that right or wrong) to offer a state visit was taken, we should not be out protesting against Trump and Corbyn/Cable/Khan etc should pipe down for a few days imo to let the visit pass. Trump won't be there forever and we should maintain respect for The Office of President at least whilst he's here. Conversely Trump should 'reel it in' and not be offering as much opinion/interference with our domestic politics either.
Seems like if Brexit proceeds it weakens the EU and that is good news for the USA trading position in Trumps eyes, I'm sure that's why he's keen on Brexit - weaken his competitors, it's not for our benefit.
I guess May thought we'd have Brexited by the time of Trump's state visit so wanted to butter him up and boost his ego by offering that. Hasn't quite worked out like that of course. I believe only Dubya and Obama have been given state visits as sitting US Presidents, something of recent trend. Maybe it needs to stop.

 

[SocketRocket]

You can’t help it can you!
Does Corbyn support Trump? Is Corbyn brown nosing Trump?

The irony of you accusing me of bringing Labour and Corbyn in to debate all the time is hilarious.

As for the “Don’t bite the hands that feeds you” that’s just pathetic.

You used Johnson and Farage as examples of people not serving in the armed forces, seems odd you never added Corby who would probably dissolve them. Labour blinkers firmly in place.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You used Johnson and Farage as examples of people not serving in the armed forces, seems odd you never added Corby who would probably dissolve them. Labour blinkers firmly in place.

Because they are his friends and his supporters! ffs how would using someone not brown nosing him help prove my point.

Are you also not answering “Don’t bite the hand that feeds you” or are saying all our Royal Family and their spouses are open to abuse from any foreign head of state? Are they all meant to be silent, emotionless, robots?

 

[Kellfire]

Unfortunately, the original question was bordering on the 'obscene'!

I can guess why you’d take that particular view on the question.

 

[gmc40]

Excellent post!!! Especially the bold bit. They were rubbish and it's their own fault we are where we are. also the Northern part of England have been left out of development for too long. All the money going into London, Cross Rail??? HS2 will never reach the North. Once at Birmingham funding will be withdrawn, leaving the North out of things again.
Donald would not left this happen. He's done just what he said he would, so will win again.

Liverpool has done well out of EU funding. Funding that they wouldn’t have received from the government. I think your frustration is misplaced.

 

[Foxholer]

I can guess why you’d take that particular view on the question.

Feel free to guess away!

In fact, I'll ask you directly....What is your 'guess'?

 

[Kellfire]

Feel free to guess away!

In fact, I'll ask you directly....What is your 'guess'?

My guess is that you know that the answer to my initial question is that the remain side is more educated, intelligent and informed.

 

[Papas1982]

My guess is that you know that the answer to my initial question is that the remain side is more educated, intelligent and informed.

Id say you may be able to make a case for reman having a greater collective of what people team as intelligence and education. Simply because more people than ever go on to uni nowadays and that’s how people seem to measure intelligence.

For me though though, the most important factor when you make a decision is that you need to be informed, that’s generally going to be based on experiences. Now who’s most experienced? Older generations or youngsters?