Kellfire
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Information trumps experience and I think you know that deep down. Experience is clouded. Information is information.
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Information trumps experience and I think you know that deep down. Experience is clouded. Information is information.
So you asked for an honest answer and then when given it, still try to refute that it's an honest one by casting doubt on the on what I "know deep down"?
I tried....
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Not sure what Trump and all these Americans and Brits are doing commemorating D Day...... Mr Junker was quite clear in his speech recently that the EU defeated the Nazis!!
drdel
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You express an opinion for which you have no evidence. There are no metrics by which you can measure the collective intelligence and knowledge base of a subset of the UK's voting population. You are simply engaged in juvenile baiting.
Sometimes when thought to be a fool it is best to keep ones mouth shut rather than prove it beyond all doubt.
Kellfire
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You’re easily upset.
it's like having Delc back!
Don't forget, in your own words, in your opinion only.
But coming at this from a slightly different direction. There's enough info going around to almost definitively nail down that a greater majority of younger people voted Remain. And the "coming at it from a different direction" bit. Pretty much every Polytechnic college is now a university, and access to degree courses is almost infinity greater than 20-30 years ago.
Therefore, it could be argued that the younger generation is better educated. Therefore that cross section of voters are more intelligent.
However, there is a Dept of Education document/graph/table that ranks degrees based on their subject/content and the date that the degree was attained. Some (current) degrees are equated with HND's/HNC's attained 20-30 years ago. And that moderating of qualifications also includes that HND's/HNC's attained now are equivalent to OND/ONC attained 20-30 years ago, and so the graph goes on. Its a doc heavily used by HR depts and recruiting managers. Equally, some modern degrees are at least on a par with some of the older ones. Yes the younger generation has greater access to more education, but better educated... my experience as a long term recruiter of anyone from warehouse operatives to 2nd level managers, no not really. There's good and bad in any age group - BTW, you'd be amazed at the amount of older people who continue their further education.
How do you rank intelligence? What defines it? I've interviewed some stunning candidates that have virtually no qualifications and some degree qualified people that I wouldn't trust with a school crossing. Those without the qualifications had intelligence but some of those with the education had little intelligence. Don't confuse intelligence with experience
Better informed; now you're being a little bit narrow minded. Does it not occur to you that everyone received the same information before the vote? So how were Remainers better informed? Did they receive secret information? That really is a silly point, "better informed."
At the end of the day, there is no way of accurately assessing how 33,000,000+ were educated in terms of how they voted. Ergo, its a stupid comment. Intelligence, and its application to specifics is subjective, e.g. a world class chef would make a lousy brain surgeon. Both able to apply their training in their field but both useless in another field - what is the specific for voting??? Better informed - stupid comment - all sides were given the same info. All were informed to the same level.
Are people who vote Labour 'v' Tory 'v' LibDem more stupid or more intelligent or better informed? Its a choice based on a preferred outcome, a political choice. I would prefer Remain but I respect the choice Leavers made and why they made those choices. Do I agree with them? No, not at all but I accept they made those choices based on their personal preferences and I respect them as individuals, as equals. I despair of the arrogance shown by many Remainers, believing their choice means they are the more intelligent/educated/informed. At best it shows a lack of respect, and I would equate it to Orwell's 1984 - "some are more equal than others."
Fade and Die
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The arrogance displayed by some of the more vociferous Remainers makes me almost feel embarrassed that I also voted Remain.
A mature society would recognise that a decision has been made and act upon the result of the referendum before moving on.
It would not, three years later, be claiming that those who voted one way or the other were somehow intellectually or morally superior.
A mature society would recognise that a decision has been made and act upon the result of the referendum before moving on.
It would not, three years later, be claiming that those who voted one way or the other were somehow intellectually or morally superior.
A huge big "like" with brass knobs on!!
We all know the zealot, obnoxious Leavers - the Robinsons and Farages. Sadly there are zealot Remainers who I'd equate them to.
gmc40
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Experience counts for nothing. My parents are experienced, both voted leave, both didn’t have a clue!
Because they didn’t vote the way you wanted?
"Experience counts for nothing..."
If you were seeing a fire for the first time, and reached into it and burned your hand would you reach into it a second time? Your experience would suggest it would be a stupid idea.
So experience counts for nothing does it? Your statement that suggest it counts for nothing is........ not very well thought out is it.
Hacker Khan
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Think it was shown that education was a strong indicator of how someone voted in brexit. How people will interpret that will be based on the conclusion they want to reach. http://www.statsguy.co.uk/brexit-voting-and-education/
Foxholer
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Well, your guess is wrong!
Btw. What has any of that got to do with anything - in a democracy?!
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"One important caveat with all these analyses of course is that they are based on aggregate data for electoral wards rather than individual data, so they may be subject to the ecological fallacy. We know that wards with a high percentage of graduates are more likely to have voted remain, but we don’t know whether individuals with degrees are more likely to have voted remain. It seems reasonably likely that that would also be true, but we can’t conclude it with certainty from the data here.
To be honest, I’m not sure these results are what I expected to see. I think it’s worth reiterating the caveat above about the ecological fallacy. We do not know whether individuals of higher socioeconomic status are more likely to vote leave after adjusting for education. All we can say is that electoral wards with a higher proportion of people of high SES are more likely to vote leave after adjusting for the proportion of people in that ward with degree level education.
But with those caveats in mind, it certainly seems as if it is a more educated population first and foremost which predicts a higher remain vote, and not a population of higher socioeconomic status."
The above is taken from the conclusions in piece. I've highlighted something HE says.
Also, it would appear he's saying that more successful people would vote Leave than better educated people. If education doesn't make you successful, maybe you shouldn't be allowed to vote...
I don't think the piece defines it very well either way. A bit like a poll really. If its close, the assumption drawn from it might be inaccurate.What I found striking from the recent EU elections was the map the Beeb produced showing virtually the whole of England being blue. No north 'v' south divide, nothing based on education etc etc.
Fade and Die
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“Never confuse education with intelligence.†So the saying goes. You ever seen teachers on eggheads or the chase? Embarrassing.
ColchesterFC
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Of course, generally speaking, people that voted Remain had higher levels of education than those that voted Leave. I don't think that there can be any argument about this with the agreed trend seeming to be that younger people were more likely to vote remain and older people were more likely to vote leave.
In 1950 around 3% of the population went to university. By 2010 this was around 43%. It doesn't take a genius to work out that if younger people are voting one way and older people are voting the opposite way the stats will show that the younger voting group had a higher level of education. Of course they did. Someone born in June 1995 had far more opportunity to go to university to get that higher education than someone born in 1945.
To equate the accident of when someone was born to them being more intelligent is, to put it quite bluntly, stupid. It's like me saying that people born in 1920 were far braver than those born in 1960 because those born into the earlier group stood up and fought against the Nazis and those born into the second group didn't.
In 1950 around 3% of the population went to university. By 2010 this was around 43%. It doesn't take a genius to work out that if younger people are voting one way and older people are voting the opposite way the stats will show that the younger voting group had a higher level of education. Of course they did. Someone born in June 1995 had far more opportunity to go to university to get that higher education than someone born in 1945.
To equate the accident of when someone was born to them being more intelligent is, to put it quite bluntly, stupid. It's like me saying that people born in 1920 were far braver than those born in 1960 because those born into the earlier group stood up and fought against the Nazis and those born into the second group didn't.
gmc40
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Trust me, I know them well enough to make that statement. They aren’t stupid and they’ve worked hard their whole lives running small business but they’re getting older and people of that age group are easier to mislead.
Steroty
Whilst we're sticking to stereotypes. My fb was full of support for Love Island this week. Surprisingly all 20 something's. If that's what all the youngsters are interested in then they're not winning any points from me in regards to good judgement calls.....
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