TRUMP, What the hell is going on

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Yet more evidence of your double standards/hypocrisy SiLH. Trump lies about something (or lots of things) and you're all over it. Corbyn lies about what he said and you defend him and blame the Tories. The Remain campaign lied and you defended it as just exaggeration. Maybe Trump didn't lie. Maybe he just exaggerated.

You have not been paying attention if you think for one nanosecond that I believe what Corbyn says. What the Remain campaign said in predicting serious problems is not in the same universe as the blatant lying of Trump.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Meanwhile in Trumpland - Gen James Mattis - Trump's Sec of State for Defence resigns - face to face with Trump he hands Trump his resignation letter - so Trump can't claim that he fired Mattis.

And Mattis's resignation letter has been released by the Pentagon. In it Mattis clearly states that the reason he is resigning is because his and Trump's views do not align. Mattis's views?...

...we must use all tools of American power to provide for the common defense, including providing effective leadership to our alliances. NATO's 29 democracies demonstrated that strength in their commitment to fighting alongside us following the 9-11 attack on America. The Defeat-ISIS coalition of 74 nations is further proof.
Similarly, I believe we must be resolute and unambiguous in our approach to those countries whose strategic interests are increasingly in tension with ours. It is clear that China and Russia, for example, want to shape a world consistent with their authoritarian model - gaining veto authority over other nations' economic, diplomatic, and security decisions - to promote their own interests at the expense of their neighbors, America and our allies. That is why we must use all the tools of American power to provide for the common defense.

My views on treating allies with respect and also being clear-eyed about both malign actors and strategic competitors are strongly held and informed by over four decades of immersion in these issues. We must do everything possible to advance an international order that is most conducive to our security, prosperity and values, and we are strengthened in this effort by the solidarity of our alliances.

Because you have the right to have a Secretary of Defense whose views are better aligned with yours on these and other subjects, I believe it is right for me to step down from my position.

And clearly Mattis' experience of Trump is that Trump is somewhere else on all of the above

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Interesting that an exec order last week to regenerate inner cities got zero coverage over here!

Imagine if a video of him stoking womens' hair (like one on the Brexit thread) did the rounds?

He is still a arse, but funny how the coverage is managed...

It actually got limited coverage in the US media also - they are too busy trying to keep up with the chaos happening around, and being generated by, Trump. So see just this week Trump's 100% troop withdrawal from Syria and now also 50% withdrawal of forces from Afghanistan. And the GOP - almost as one - are opposing Trump on these orders.

Meanwhile The Wall - and it looks like Trump will refuse to sign the carry-over bill put forward by the GOP in the senate - and even if he does and government doesn't shut down - he is thinking of pulling funding from the military to build it.

The question some are asking (but as yet only hypothetically and without really believing it might happen) is a bizarre one around whether the US military might actually refuse to enact a presidential order...

 

[IanM]

It actually got limited coverage in the US media also - they are too busy trying to keep up with the chaos happening around, and being generated by, Trump. ..

Surely that's a statement about the polarity of the media in the US? Your interpretation is comical.

Forget that it is Trump for a mo, and you could argue that it is a President delivering on one of his manifesto promises! (shock) Initiatives like this will potentially make massive differences in these communites.

The Democrats however, maintaining their current approach are in danger of helping keep themselves out of Office. Even if Trump ends up in jail, the folk helped by this will vote Republican next time.

 

[gmc40]

Interesting that an exec order last week to regenerate inner cities got zero coverage over here!

Imagine if a video of him stoking womens' hair (like one on the Brexit thread) did the rounds?

He is still a arse, but funny how the coverage is managed...

The way his coverage is managed has been influenced by his actions so he’s only got himself to blame.

Anyway here’s a tweet from him letting everyone know about the hard work he’s doing. As someone has pointed out though, it appears he’s using invisible ink.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some of the many Bills that I am signing in the Oval Office right now. Cancelled my trip on Air Force One to Florida while we wait to see if the Democrats will help us to protect America’s Southern Border! <a href="https://t.co/ws6LYhKcKl">pic.twitter.com/ws6LYhKcKl</a></p>&mdash; Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="

https://twitter.com/x/status/1076256868190834689

">December 21, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[larmen]

Is there a place I can put a bet on President Pence pardoning former President Trump before Christmas 2019?

 

[Mrs Wiggles]

I love Donald Trump, and believe the guy is a breath of fresh air. About time the world had a proper right wing leader again, and someone who cares about his country first. Admittedly I don't agree with all his policies, and he is prone to the occasional fib, but let's be honest, what politician isn't

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Loving that a week after claiming in his meeting with Schumer and Pelosi compete ownership of any government closure due to lack of funding for The Wall - Trump gets his way and a partial government close down comes about - and Trump sits there brazen as you like blaming the Dems for it. But not all GOP senators are so fooled - Bob Corker...

“This is a made-up fight so the president can look like he’s fighting,”

“This is something that is useless, it’s spectacle, it’s puerile,”

And it is impacting 100s of thousands of ordinary government employees - with them not being paid or put on furlough and some quite possibly not getting paid for that time. All because the President has a temper tantrum worthy of a two yr old because he isn't getting is way.

 

[gmc40]

Putting his country first apparently.

Funny that he’s blaming the Democrats though. I thought the Mexicans were paying for it?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Putting his country first apparently.

Funny that he’s blaming the Democrats though. I thought the Mexicans were paying for it?

He can feels he can blame the Dems as in the US Senate you need a super-majority to get anything passed - and that is 60 votes. For that to come about the majority party requires minority party support. The Founding Fathers set it up that way so that no one party or group could push contentious legislation through with only the slimmest of majorities. Hmmm - something that this country could learn from the US maybe.

And Trump is still claiming the Mexicans will pay for the wall - and they will do indirectly through increased tariffs on Mexican goods and services imported into the US as a result of the recent Canada/US/Mexico trade deal. Trump just needs the dosh up front and the Dems are just not going to do it.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Makes me laugh when people say they would have liked a trump like figure negotiating brexit for us.

As he's been repeatedly shown to be someone who made false promises that he can't enact and the absolute driving force behind anything he does is how it will benefit him personally in terms of keeping in power.

He'd of fitted in well 😉

Does he appear to make exaggerated claims and look for personal benefit; hell, yes.

Would he have dropped his trousers, bent over and asked Tusk, Barnier & Juncker not to spank him too hard as our politicians apparently did; hell, no.

As odious as he is and as much like some our own politicians as he is, he could certainly give them some lessons in negotiating the best deal for your own country.

 

[gmc40]

He’s even ruined a kids Xmas

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46678124

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I am all alone (poor me) in the White House waiting for the Democrats to come back and make a deal on desperately needed Border Security.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1077255770725601280

Aw diddums - but good grief - this is the PotUS talking...

 

[Norrin Radd]

just read on aol that good ole Donald told more than a few porkies in 2018 like 5,600 of them thats 15 per day average.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Trump addressing the nation this evening on all major networks - no doubt pushing the case for him declaring a National Emergency over the need for a wall - the Wall. This being the wall that his aides suggested to Trump as a means of remembering to talk about immigration - prior to that idea there was no talk of a wall.

That big lovely concrete wall that Mexico will pay for - that isn't all going to be concrete - and Mexico will not be paying for it - well not directly...if funds can be subsequently be directed from tariffs on Mexican imports to USA.

The big wonder today, last night and this morning in much of the US media is around how many lies and deceits Trump is going to tell about immigration; the terrorist threat from the south; declaring a National Emergency (even Fox news legal advisers say he can't) - and the wall.

But of course it has become Trump's 'go-to' from before and since the election. When he sees the crowd getting bored or distracted - straight to 'the wall' ('lock her up' perhaps becoming a bit too close to home given those associated with Trump now being locked up). And meanwhile off the back of it - much of the US Government remains shut down...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46915909

If true, and Buzzfeed claim multiple separate sources saying Trump told Cohen to lie about Trump and Russia links, then Trump seems to be in an 'obstruction of justice' hole.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Donald popping across to old England buy up the NHS and other assorted bargains he can get post Brexit.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Donald popping across to old England buy up the NHS and other assorted bargains he can get post Brexit.

It's a buyers market.......

 

[Deleted member 15344]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news...tone-cold-loser-before-landing-in-uk-11733909

Its amazing the level the US President goes too . The US President being disrespectful to someone called Sajid Khan is going to appeal to a big amount of his supporters

 

[Hacker Khan]

Swears a bit so don't watch if that offends you or if you have a sense of humour bypass.