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Trouble at the Euros

ruff-driver said:
Organized ? :whistle:

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What I want to know after watching some of these clips is how do they know who they're meant to be kicking the jobby out of? It's just chaos. Do they think 'he looks like someone who's not with us', and he gets a doin'?

I'm afraid if the team wasn't there be that, England, Germany, Russia or whoever there wouldn't be any violence of that scale.

Ejection from the tournament is the only way to go. Keep going until the fighting stops. As everyone keeps saying that it is a minority of supporters, scoop up anyone fighting in a big prison van and dump them at the border of their own country. Uefa are minted they can afford to circumvent any logistical issues with this method.
 
Got a feeling UEFA will act if only to attempt to regain some lost face from all the Platini/Blatter antics and other issues which have made it look weak and ineffectual. It won't solve the problem but will make a statement. Trouble is once you've done it once you need to follow it up each and every time and I think they'd then adopt a different approach should a potential winner like Germany or the hosts were involved. It will of course now give an incentive to every nationality of mindless idiot to attack the English, whether hooligans looking for a ruck or innocents in the wrong place at the wrong time
 
The French have already been involved in quite a lot of it Homer. French thugs attacking English and Russian fans in Marseille and seemingly also attacking Northern Irish and Polish fans as well.
 
ColchesterFC said:
The French have already been involved in quite a lot of it Homer. French thugs attacking English and Russian fans in Marseille and seemingly also attacking Northern Irish and Polish fans as well.
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Exactly. You won't see UEFA kicking France out though as hosts will you but banning us (and lets face it we do have history!) is an easy way to look as though they are dealing with it. Of course it'll carry on anyway
 
Sorry, but this kick them out the tournament and the fans will go home idea is daft.

Poland and Nortern Ireland fans attacked by locals, England fans attacked by locals, Turkish fans attacked by locals, let's kick the Poles, Northern Irish, English, Turks and French out.........bit of an issue now, the locals go nowhere and attack the next set of fans.

World football has a problem with hooliganism and we'll probably never see a complete removal of it, sadly the only way to tackle it is to treat all fans like hooligans and enforce ridiculous Police measures to segregate fans, ban the sale of alcohol and close down bars etc. Any fan without a ticket thrown out the country.

Only other way is to hold these comps on home and away basis over longer periods and have no coming together in one country.

And we'll still get trouble
 
pbrown7582 said:
I believe an awful lot of the trouble is without provocation not all, as with all teams there is a minority looking for trouble. Football banning orders aren't a complete solution as I read 97% of those subject to these have had passports confiscated yet on Thursday England fans still allegedly caused trouble. Friday and Saturday most was unprovoked attacks the same as the stadium trouble last night. And the attacks in Nice by the French on polish and Irish fans. PSG fans attacking Turks this afternoon.

Those that have travelled away in Europe will understand, and look beyond the newspaper headlines.
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Agreed. My first and last trip to support England was for The Euro Champs in Germany in 1988 - that makes me feel old. I had tickets for the semi finals and final which of course England didn't make. We came home after our final group game though as it was terrifying to be there and English. After every game we ran the gauntlet of German hooligans to get back to our campsite. I'm sure we only escaped serious attack as I bought some new clothes there and was told I looked German in them! Plus a few England fans looked after me and would pretty much cause a distraction so the yobs followed them whilst I was kept safe. Did we provoke anything? Nope...genuine football fans just supporting our country. Never again.
 
MetalMickie said:
Too many travel without match tickets so not sure what FA's can do about that.

In addition it could be claimed that they are encouraged to do so by the organisers with fan parks which also sell alcohol.

I appreciate that other sports are not cursed by this scourge of hooliganism but it still is a societal problem, not just a football issue.

After all if there was no football does anyone really think these yobs would suddenly start behaving like choirboys.
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That's why I added the FA only responsible for trouble inside the grounds . FA's cant be responsible for clowns on the street let the riot police sort that ..

No but I cant see even them spending dosh to go over & the team getting thrown out , all ok til their team are eliminated then war

Better Passport / border control has to help , hasn't it ?

I see the control of alcohol sales is been considered ,
 
Tashyboy said:
My lad has just said that apparantly UEFA have said that if England or Russia cause any more trouble in the finals they will be kicked out.
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Didn't they say that back in 98 as well iirc? They won't kick a team out because of their fans, I just can't see it happening. Besides, most of the knobs will probably be home and back at work tomorrow.
 
For proper hooligans, alcohol makes no difference at all. If anything, more likely to be on charlie.

There are some who will do daft things and also get caught up in stuff with alcohol down them, but no different to normal people on a Saturday night.

Too many people think that hooligans are normal people and that they change with 10 pints down them - their not. They "live" for the buzz that taking on another firm brings, the camaraderie of the fellow lads, taking someones pub/end/putting them on their toes.

Put it this way, if they were involved in a good ruck and the match had kicked off, they'd still be outside the stadium instead of going in for the match. Thats the difference.

A famed newspaper headline in the 80's said - which one is the hooligan. One showed an unemployed skinhead,doc martens etc - the other shown someone in casual gear. Lets say, a fred perry, pair of Farah, trainees and they said he'll probably have a good job, possibly work in "the city" etc - They were about 5 years too late, as well.

BTW I'm not trying to glamourise or condone anything, but some people's views on what hooligans are, and their motivations, are as outdated as that paper in the mid-80's.
 
So plan A, all the English fans learn to speak French like the policeman in "Ello Ello" and go and cause trouble so that the French get banned, then use a German accent ...........!! You get the idea, and then we win the tournament! :smirk:
 
That guy in the video, if he's still alive or not cabbaged, ought to able to take the French Police to the cleaners on that footage, unfortunately the individual police can't be easily identified. Unbelievable brutality and could so easily end in death for the victim.
 
There's not a hope in hells chance that any team will get chucked out, it'll be a 10k Euro fine and that's it.

Have England been fighting this morning or are they having a long lie in? I liked the one where the French are still confident that they can handle ISIS but they're struggling with Gary and his mates from Clacton-on-Sea ... and then there's Vardy's wife?
 
chrisd said:
So plan A, all the English fans learn to speak French like the policeman in "Ello Ello" and go and cause trouble so that the French get banned, then use a German accent ...........!! You get the idea, and then we win the tournament! :smirk:
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We'd still go out on fixed penalties.;)
 
Hickory_Hacker said:
There's not a hope in hells chance that any team will get chucked out, it'll be a 10k Euro fine and that's it.

Have England been fighting this morning or are they having a long lie in? I liked the one where the French are still confident that they can handle ISIS but they're struggling with Gary and his mates from Clacton-on-Sea ... and then there's Vardy's wife?
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Im struggling to understand what it is you find so funny about a players wife being subject to tear gas ?

Lots of innocent people have been caught in the middle of the trouble including women and young children minding their own business or enjoying the city - that includes Vardys wife who got caught up in it all through no fault of her own - so what exactly is funny about a young lady being frightened and being subjected to tear gas ?
 
What is drastically underreported is the fact these are essentially trained organised paramilitary hard as nails massive Russians that have all done 3 years military service and lay ambush attacks whilst equipped with the essentials in their bum bags (mma gloves so they can punch without knacking their hands, mouthpiece, balaclava, potentially a knife, wearing short shorts so they can kick at will and they pull the victims shirts up over their heads so they can't strike back)

That is what is happening.

Meanwhile the French police cannot be arsed, wait until they have ran in done damage and ran away again, then lob in tear gas not bothering in the slightest to arrest anyone.

Wonder what on earth they would do in response to a terrorist incident on this evidence?
Also putting England v Russia on in a massive ground like the Velodrome in the biggest most crime ridden deprived dive in all of France is a stroke of genius.

Rant over
 
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