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Region3 said:
If anybody is looking at their qualifying scores as being genuine and a good indication of their ability and hence a basis for any handicap adjustments, they are completely missing the point.

They have been deliberately collecting 0.1's all season (bar a couple in April for the lower one).
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If there is definitive proof then the Comp committee should first of all ban them from comps , go to EGU about the issue and have their HQ withdrawn - giving them extreme cuts won't stop them they will just chase the .1's

Also having single NQ events doesn't help the issue - that then allows them to win events without the relevant HC adjustment - of the course is set up as it's measured length within the required limits then it has to be a Qualfying Comp
 
Region3 said:
Can you show me where it says this please so I can take it to my club.
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Within 17 in Congu Manual

To permit the UHS to operate as intended, all competitions should be run, whenever possible, as Qualifying Competitions. A number of dispensations for winter play have been granted by CONGU® to encourage this, including preferred lies and use of artificial mats.

Also

Although a club committee or Handicapping Authority has the right to deprive certain competitions of their status as Qualifying Competitions this discretion should not be abused. It is considered to be outside the spirit and intent of the UHS to adjust the terms and conditions of an otherwise Qualifying Competition so that it is technically Non-Qualifying.
 
Old Skier said:
One of the more worry aspects is how are other members able to access other players information on what is normally a secure area and also the ability to post a link. These areas are normally password protected.
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No. Hdid is very open. Sign in and you can see all sorts of data from thousands of clubs. Its just not as nicely presented as the ops system
 
very coincidental and a bloody disgrace.

I'm currently on a one man mission to sort 3 blokes out at our place that only play 3 comps a year.

the club champs (2 rounds)
senior champs ( 1 round)

they bandit the comps every year as they started with a high handicaps and practice all the time to make sure they're better for next year.

i asked one of them once "why dont you play in more comps?)`` he openly said " what's the point? it just makes it harder to win the big ones"
when i reported it the handicap secretary he said that he isn't breaking any rules!!! which he isn't.
 
Jeez......has anyone approached them and spoke to them about this ? It looks REALLY bad......I just can't compute that someone would intentionally do this
 
hovis said:
very coincidental and a bloody disgrace.

I'm currently on a one man mission to sort 3 blokes out at our place that only play 3 comps a year.

the club champs (2 rounds)
senior champs ( 1 round)

they bandit the comps every year as they started with a high handicaps and practice all the time to make sure they're better for next year.

i asked one of them once "why dont you play in more comps?)`` he openly said " what's the point? it just makes it harder to win the big ones"
when i reported it the handicap secretary he said that he isn't breaking any rules!!! which he isn't.
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Sort out ?

Bandit the comps ?

They aren't breaking any rules

And those sort of comps are Gross comps anyway in most clubs
 
They've been cut 3.5 shots so I guess someone is watching...
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Sort out ?

Bandit the comps ?

They aren't breaking any rules

And those sort of comps are Gross comps anyway in most clubs
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your correct. it isn't breaking any rules. is it ok however to only keep your handicap active on 2 major comps that have the course set out that low scores are almost impossible? the css doesn't seem to be high enough to give them a substantial cut.

the purpose of a handicap is to keep a level playing field. when a player hasn't played in a comp for 11 months but practiced his balls off doesn't make that level for me.

oh and we have best net and gross with the prize being the same for both winners. substantial prize at that
 
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hovis said:
your correct. it isn't breaking any rules. is it ok however to only keep your handicap active on 2 major comps that have the course set out that low scores are almost impossible? the css doesn't seem to be high enough to give them a substantial cut.

the purpose of a handicap is to keep a level playing field. when a player hasn't played in a comp for 11 months but practiced his balls off doesn't make that level for me.

oh and we have best net and gross with the prize being the same for both winners. substantial prize at that
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If the course is set hard and the scores reflect that then the CSS will go up making cuts actually easier

If the scores are very low then the CSS goes down by only the one


The player is doing nothing wrong - I guess he has won both events then each year
 
Liverpoolphil said:
If the course is set hard and the scores reflect that then the CSS will go up making cuts actually easier

If the scores are very low then the CSS goes down by only the one


The player is doing nothing wrong - I guess he has won both events then each year
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between them they have done alot of damage to big prize comps over the last three years.
as for the css. even when it was plus 3, it only gives a cut of an additional 1.2. not much when you're off 20. sometimes Phil you have to see past your usual "black and white". most people are not like you and see the Morrell injustice of this practice. myself and many other no longer play in the club champs because of this.
 
I would suck as a handicap secretary
I would say you are a cheat and cheating means you are banned from the club
Clear locker and fk off
 
Old Skier said:
One of the more worry aspects is how are other members able to access other players information on what is normally a secure area and also the ability to post a link. These areas are normally password protected.
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What information on the site do you think other people should be unable to access and why?
 
Is this no different to what those pot hunters and frequent winners on the Trilby and other open comps have done where some now taking the moral high ground have been equally as quick to shoot them down in flames. It's fairly compelling evidence giving their records on the system and there needs to be a facility for handicap secretaries to be able to make this sort of judgement call
 
This behaviour means you are not a golfer, you might play but do not call yourself a golfer as golfers is a game of integrity

I know a guy that cheated 20 years ago to get into a golf team (Took 10 shots off his score to get free trip and coaching) i would to this day not trust him, btw i believe he is club champion at his club this year..
 
The first one is certainly very suspicious. The complete absence of buffer zone scores is usually an indicator of intentional 3 putts on the last few holes when out of contention to ensure a 0.1. I've seen it done, but it's so hard to prove. As others have said, the public nature of results nowadays should discourage handicap building as it's very obvious when a pattern like this emerges. Just call them what they are. Cheats.
 
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