Theresa May - Not up to the Job of PM?

[chrisd]

You are forgetting the milk & sugar


I thought I was giving a reasonably fair assessment of the current state of play,
do you have any idea what a huge hike in Corporation tax will do to business growth, R & D and the attractiveness of basing your business in the UK post Brexit when CT rates in Ireland are 12.5%.

It is going to impact on jobs which will decrease tax revenues and increase benefits etc
Corbyn might get his money in year 1, but years 2,3 and 4 are going to be a real struggle, the deficit which has been coming down, will increase again and after 5 years you will have to call in The Torys to sort it all out again.

I have crystal balls

You might be a Mod but that doesn't give you the right to spout the truth amongt the garbage that these political threads are

 

[PhilTheFragger]

You might be a Mod but that doesn't give you the right to spout the truth amongt the garbage that these political threads are

Aww Chris, Thats the nicest thing you ever said to me

Just saying it hows I sees it :thup:

 

[ColchesterFC]

And the figures show that when corporation tax is reduced the total tax take from it increases.

2010/11 - Corporation tax at 28% - total tax paid £43 billion.
2016/17 - Corporation tax at 19% - total tax paid £56 billion.

So Corbyn's plans to raise corporation tax might end up with much less being paid and that would put a rather large hole in his budget plans.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

And the figures show that when corporation tax is reduced the total tax take from it increases.

2010/11 - Corporation tax at 28% - total tax paid £43 billion.
2016/17 - Corporation tax at 19% - total tax paid £56 billion.

So Corbyn's plans to raise corporation tax might end up with much less being paid and that would put a rather large hole in his budget plans.

To be totally fair the 2010/11 figures were bang in the middle of the recession, so not comparable with the 16/17 figures

 

[Deleted member 16999]

To be totally fair the 2010/11 figures were bang in the middle of the recession, so not comparable with the 16/17 figures

Can you stop putting realism on spin please

 

[ColchesterFC]

To be totally fair the 2010/11 figures were bang in the middle of the recession, so not comparable with the 16/17 figures

Fair enough. How about 2008/2009 when the total was £46.4 billion. Or 2007/08 when it was around £44 billion.

And not forgetting that due to the drop in the oil price the North Sea companies, who during that period had overtaken the financial sector for total contributions, have not been contributing as much recently and yet still the total revenue has increased.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Fair enough. How about 2008/2009 when the total was £46.4 billion. Or 2007/08 when it was around £44 billion.

And not forgetting that due to the drop in the oil price the North Sea companies, who during that period had overtaken the financial sector for total contributions, have not been contributing as much recently and yet still the total revenue has increased.

The recession started in Q2 of 2008 although there would have been significant slowing down prior to this,
take your point re the oil companies, this also has major repercussions north of the border , but that is for another thread

 

[Hacker Khan]

Only you and a couple of others on here seem to soak up the right wing press.

Judging by some of the cut and paste comments on here for some I very much doubt that statement...

 

[ger147]

If the Torys do badly in the election and I think it is fair to say that it isn't going to be the walkover that Tory HQ predicted. then I wouldn't be at all surprised to see TM resign, to be replaced by Amber Rudd.

TM for me is damaged now, she started well, but got greedy and this campaign has shown her limitations.
A woeful manifesto, full of more of the same cuts etc, whereas people are fed up of this, they need to be cut a bit of slack.
This is where Clever Corbyn has sneaked in with his money tree manifesto, which he will never be able to afford. but even if he can only do 1/4 of it, it will make people feel better off, if only for a time.

Im voting for the "Bring A Bottle " Party

I agree - TM is damaged goods IMO and the Tories could end up back where they started i.e. a PM that is "unelected" i.e. not the PM who won the election.

I think they will try and dump her as leader/PM if she just scrapes over the line. She's deffo toast if it's a hung parliament.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I agree - TM is damaged goods IMO and the Tories could end up back where they started i.e. a PM that is "unelected" i.e. not the PM who won the election.

I think they will try and dump her as leader/PM if she just scrapes over the line. She's deffo toast if it's a hung parliament.

My eldest daughter told me 4 months ago that Osbourne would be PM by the autumn.
Not bad forecasting, even if it won't happen.
I wonder who the new leader will be, they all look like damaged goods now.

 

[Hacker Khan]

The tories will get a majority. Not as much as some of the more optimistic forecasts at the start of the campaign, but I have no doubt that they will get one. As despite the fact that TMay is doing her best to seem aloof, with Corbyn's reputation and the push from the right wing print media she/they will really have to screw up next week to not get one.

 

[JohnnyDee]

Watching TM on Question Time debate and the Tories election strategy seemingly can be summed up thus:

We know best.
We're giving no details on policies (if indeed we actually have any)
Our leader is absolutely terrified to appear on a stage with other party leaders.
Jeremy Corbyn is nasty bad bad bad bogey man.


It's risible arrogance and is rapidly being rumbled by the electorate😶.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

If this audience is anything to go by, it looks like it will be a shoe in for Corbyn next week.

May walks off to three folk politely clapping.
Corbyn walks off to rousing cheers.

 

[SocketRocket]

I must have watched a different debate. Corbyn was painted into a corner on nuclear weapons and he knew that question was his Achilles heel that will be his downfall.

 

[shagster]

Can you tell me what deterrent nuclear weapons are
Who ever is in power will only do what the Americans do or are told to do
Corbyn would use it as retaliation but that's to late as Armageddon is on its way
How many terrorist attacks have been stopped because we have big weapons
NONE

 

[SocketRocket]

Can you tell me what deterrent nuclear weapons are
Who ever is in power will only do what the Americans do or are told to do
Corbyn would use it as retaliation but that's to late as Armageddon is on its way
How many terrorist attacks have been stopped because we have big weapons
NONE

Please supply some evidence to support your point on the USA.
You seem to misunderstand the reason for nuclear weapons, they are a deterrent if your enemy believes you would use them.
Your point on terrorist attacks and NW is not logical. It's like saying 'Whats the point of the army having tanks, they have never stopped anyone robbing a Bank'

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I must have watched a different debate. Corbyn was painted into a corner on nuclear weapons and he knew that question was his Achilles heel that will be his downfall.

Painted into a corner eh.
Can you then explain how the audience then gave a such good cheer to the young woman who called out the swivel eyed bombing loons who wanted Corbyn to use first strike and who were scared witless that the UK was going to be nuked by North Korea and Iran

 

[jp5]

Quite alarmed by the portion of our public that are seemingly eager to nuke millions of innocent people. Thought we were a better country than that.

 

[Hobbit]

Painted into a corner eh.
Can you then explain how the audience then gave a such good cheer to the young woman who called out the swivel eyed bombing loons who wanted Corbyn to use first strike and who were scared witless that the UK was going to be nuked by North Korea and Iran

Quite alarmed by the portion of our public that are seemingly eager to nuke millions of innocent people. Thought we were a better country than that.

Totally agree! Since when have we become a first strike nation? That makes us the loons, if we fire first. Right until some loon in a far distant country presses a button we don't know that they will.

As as for a terrorist with a dirty bomb; there's very little that could be done apart from hoping to catch them during the manufacturing phase.

 

[richy]

I must have watched a different debate. Corbyn was painted into a corner on nuclear weapons and he knew that question was his Achilles heel that will be his downfall.

It's an Achilles heel not to want to wipe out millions of people?

I think he needs to be commended.