The SNIP

[Hobbit]

My first manager reviewed my first report and required me to rephrase '...is outwith the scope of this study'. I was adamant that there was nothing wrong with what I had written - that it was perfect - he claimed there was no such word...I lost...

He must have been a southerner. Its recognised as a Scottish/Northern English word.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

He must have been a southerner. Its recognised as a Scottish/Northern English word.

He was very southerner (I was working in Bristol)

 

[Doon frae Troon]

He must have been a southerner. Its recognised as a Scottish/Northern English word.

I used to use it occasionally in Council reports when I lived in Wiltshire. It stumped my admin staff but after interrogation they generally admitted it was a useful word.

 

[spongebob59]

Delusional

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/present...ferraris-fiery-row-with-snp-mp-ends-abruptly/

 

[stefanovic]

Make no mistake, there is a long history of antipathy between Scots and English.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wars_of_Scottish_Independence

The SNP are merely the latest incarnation of this hostility. Even Alex Salmond admitted most members of the SNP hate the English.
In place of Salmond we now have the poker face of Sturgeon, and she is very likely to break up the UK.
The main driver for this is genetics as described in the Price Equation.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Make no mistake, there is a long history of antipathy between Scots and English.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wars_of_Scottish_Independence

The SNP are merely the latest incarnation of this hostility. Even Alex Salmond admitted most members of the SNP hate the English.
In place of Salmond we now have the poker face of Sturgeon, and she is very likely to break up the UK.
The main driver for this is genetics as described in the Price Equation.

I think that you buy into that myth...there may be an antipathy (misunderstanding/disconnect) in quite a number to some 'English' attitudes and values - and to a perception that many English feel 'superior' (in general - not specifically in relation to Scots, Welsh and NI) - but as far as most members of the SNP 'hating' the English. I may be totally wrong but I don't think so.

And haven't a clue what you are referring to with the Price Equation

 

[stefanovic]

I think that you buy into that myth...there may be an antipathy (misunderstanding/disconnect) in quite a number to some 'English' attitudes and values - and to a perception that many English feel 'superior' - but as far as most members of the SNP 'hating' the English. I may be totally wrong but I don't think so.

I'm afraid you are wrong. What happens in life is the war between genes at the molecular level.
You will notice less antipathy between the Welsh and the English, partly because many English found their way into Wales to work the mines.
Scotland is more insular.
Nations go to war not only because they have issues with each other, but because the gene pool is different.
I do not have the time to explain all this but you can do your own research by reading Richard Dawkins and in particular try and grasp the point of the covariance equation completed by George Price. Andrew Marr picked up on this in his TV series Darwin's Dangerous Idea.
It's unsettling stuff but it explains all.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The Scots gene pool is most certainly different from the English one (though there will also be significant differences between the Northern English gene pool and the Southern English gene pool) ...and maybe that helps explain what I said...'there may be an antipathy (misunderstanding/ disconnect) in quite a number to some 'English' attitudes and values'

Maybe - dunno. But I think that the word 'hate' is not the correct word - certainly not for most Scots.

 

[Foxholer]

Make no mistake, there is a long history of antipathy between Scots and English.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wars_of_Scottish_Independence

The SNP are merely the latest incarnation of this hostility. Even Alex Salmond admitted most members of the SNP hate the English.
In place of Salmond we now have the poker face of Sturgeon, and she is very likely to break up the UK.
The main driver for this is genetics as described in the Price Equation.

Twaddle!

The main driver, imo, is the human voice and written word! In other words indoctrination and propoganda!

If you can identify the 'Hate the English' gene, you'd be a 'shoe-in' candidate for a Nobel Prize!

 

[stefanovic]

The main driver, imo, is the human voice and written word! In other words indoctrination and propoganda!

You don't know what you're talking about. And it's propaganda.

If you can identify the 'Hate the English' gene, you'd be a 'shoe-in' candidate for a Nobel Prize!

You miss the point. There is no such thing.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Whatever difference - if any - in attitude/thinking there might be between Scots and English - and for whatever reason that might be - I think that it is well wide of the mark to suggest that most SNP members hate the English. I just don't believe that to be the case - as I do not believe it to be the case for the vast majority of Scots. Hate is a very strong word - and I think it is absolutely the wrong one.

 

[Foxholer]

You don't know what you're talking about....

I'm pretty certain I know my own opinion!

...You miss the point. There is no such thing.

What are you on about? Kindly explain!

 

[stefanovic]

What are you on about? Kindly explain!

The hostility between England and Scotland goes way back before politics.
So you can't argue this is all about modern politics. It goes much, much deeper.
Right down to the realm of genetics. Scotland, Wales and Ireland are sometimes called the Celtic nations and England is less so.
I'm not saying that all Scots actually hate the English. In Indref1 52% voted to stay within the UK.
It was Salmond who spilled the beans on how much the SNP did not like the English.
Because of Brexit they are starting to feel closer to their Celtic heritage within the EU.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The hostility between England and Scotland goes way back before politics.
So you can't argue this is all about modern politics. It goes much, much deeper.
Right down to the realm of genetics. Scotland, Wales and Ireland are sometimes called the Celtic nations and England is less so.
I'm not saying that all Scots actually hate the English. In Indref1 52% voted to stay within the UK.
It was Salmond who spilled the beans on how much the SNP did not like the English.
Because of Brexit they are starting to feel closer to their Celtic heritage within the EU.

Did Alex Salmond say that members of the SNP hate the English? Did he say that Scots hate the English?

If he did then he was wrong. We don't. Some might. We don't.

Now Scots might not understand some English attitudes - but then again a lot of English don't understand Scots full stop

And as far as Brexit causing Scots to feel closer to their Celtic heritage - nah. Many Scots aren't particularly Celtic 'heritage-wise', but many if not most do have a feeling of 'Scottishness' (whatever that is) - and an element of that is the Celtic connection. Ask a sassenach what he thinks of teuchters for an idea of that .

And what Scots might feel in respect of their Celtic heritage has, I suggest, absolutely nothing to do with the EU or some aspect of Celtishness within the EU.

 

[SocketRocket]

The hostility between England and Scotland goes way back before politics.
So you can't argue this is all about modern politics. It goes much, much deeper.
Right down to the realm of genetics. Scotland, Wales and Ireland are sometimes called the Celtic nations and England is less so.
I'm not saying that all Scots actually hate the English. In Indref1 52% voted to stay within the UK.
It was Salmond who spilled the beans on how much the SNP did not like the English.
Because of Brexit they are starting to feel closer to their Celtic heritage within the EU.

You are wrong in so many of those suppositions, you don't seem to understand the results of genetic surveys and how they show a very close relationship between all the people of Britain and Ireland. Your comments also have a similarity to those used in the past to suggest certain gene pools created races with specific human attributes. This type of belief is dangerous and wrong.

 

[Foxholer]

The hostility between England and Scotland goes way back before politics.
So you can't argue this is all about modern politics. It goes much, much deeper.
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No problem agreeing to that!

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Right down to the realm of genetics. Scotland, Wales and Ireland are sometimes called the Celtic nations and England is less so.
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So what! You are making a huge - and totally wrong imo - leap that it's the (Celtic vs not so Celtic) genetics that is the cause of the 'hatred'!

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I'm not saying that all Scots actually hate the English. In Indref1 52% voted to stay within the UK.
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Another attempt to connect 2 unconnected situations!

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It was Salmond who spilled the beans on how much the SNP did not like the English.
...

Was it? It's always been pretty obvious to me that some of them 'don't like the English'! But, likewise, plenty of English don't like the SNP either!

...Because of Brexit they are starting to feel closer to their Celtic heritage within the EU.

IYO! To me, that's twaddle!

 

[chrisd]

So the SNP will only support a Corbyn caretaker government if Corbyn agrees to a 2nd Scottish leave referendum - nice to know its all about democracy and Brexit and not self serving MP's 😤

 

[Hobbit]

The hostility between England and Scotland goes way back before politics.
So you can't argue this is all about modern politics. It goes much, much deeper.
Right down to the realm of genetics. Scotland, Wales and Ireland are sometimes called the Celtic nations and England is less so.
I'm not saying that all Scots actually hate the English. In Indref1 52% voted to stay within the UK.
It was Salmond who spilled the beans on how much the SNP did not like the English.
Because of Brexit they are starting to feel closer to their Celtic heritage within the EU.

Weird, just plain weird. I'd argue that genetics makes us closer, not further apart. Humans might not be close to dolphins or orang-utans but its not genetics that create some of the differences between Scots and the English. I'd argue its deeply joined, and sometimes violent, history and politics that create any divisions.

Frontline politics in Scotland isn't necessarily rooted in independence, even though the SNP are the dominant party. Many of the SNP's policies are more socialist than those in the modern Labour Party. And if you do just a little research you'll find that the correlation between the number of SNP members and the number who voted for independence it doesn't quite align. Equally, its surprising how many people voted for independence but don't vote SNP.

There is some hostility, and I've experienced it living and working there, but you're talking about 0.01%. I'd sooner spend a week in Edinburgh than London - in the main, the people are far nicer.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Between 10 to 15% of SNP voters do not want Independence.
They vote for the SNP because they like their policies and competence in running Scottish affairs.
On the other hand around 30 to 40% of Scottish Labour voters support Independence but would never vote for the SNP.
It is not as simple as some of the 'experts on Scottish affairs' on here realise.

Re armed forces, I am pretty certain that an Independent Scotland using it's share of former UK finance input could quite easily support a reduced but more modern force along similar lines to Ireland, Norway or Denmark.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So the SNP will only support a Corbyn caretaker government if Corbyn agrees to a 2nd Scottish leave referendum - nice to know its all about democracy and Brexit and not self serving MP's 😤

Perhaps you need to look a bit deeper into what you said, remembering that the SNP wish to gain Independence for Scotland.
Why should they give a stuff about what happens to rUK after Brexit as the rUK could not give a stuff about the result of the Scottish Brexit vote.