The SNIP

[Kellfire]

tbh Chris - if they leave without sorting out the debt - and no idea how they do that - and if they manage to have a currency - and if they have a 5%+ budget defecit - they will struggle to borrow as the sums do nott add up. I am not having a go at Scotland and if they want to go i would not lose sleep although i would rather they stay - but they willhave foooled the public into doing something that is so mad on any level of analysis that Wee Jimmie and the Krankie cronies should be jailed for deception

So should we jail those who promoted Brexit for the same reasons?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

tbh Chris - if they leave without sorting out the debt - and no idea how they do that - and if they manage to have a currency - and if they have a 5%+ budget defecit - they will struggle to borrow as the sums do nott add up. I am not having a go at Scotland and if they want to go i would not lose sleep although i would rather they stay - but they willhave foooled the public into doing something that is so mad on any level of analysis that Wee Jimmie and the Krankie cronies should be jailed for deception

I do not recall any SNP politician saying that we will leave the UK without taking our share of the UK debt no matter how unfair that is.
As for fooling the public, for a nation that has just voted for Brexit and Johnson you will have sent many irony metres in orbit there
For someone who says he is not bothered by the outcome your words and language suggest otherwise.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Remind me - are there still some suggesting that if we don’t agree an EU trade deal next year that we don’t pay EU the WA bill - now £33bn I think. Just wondering if UK would walk away from that and whether some thinks it OK were UK to do that. Or have they all shut up. The ERG mob were certainly adamant that we should just do that. Just wondering.

 

[PNWokingham]

I do not recall any SNP politician saying that we will leave the UK without taking our share of the UK debt no matter how unfair that is.
As for fooling the public, for a nation that has just voted for Brexit and Johnson you will have sent many irony metres in orbit there
For someone who says he is not bothered by the outcome your words and language suggest otherwise.

as i said i would rather Scotland stay in the Union but the issues to overcome are huge and all i am trying to say is that these points need to be front and centre and any solutions need to be publicly stated regarding currency, debt, EU membership, budgit deficit etc - and the public need to see responses from UK and EU respectively to uderstand if the plans have any credibility or are pie in the sky promises.

Te whole situation is nothing like Brexit, where we have a currency, a strong credit rating, continued ability to borrow oin international markets etc

 

[PNWokingham]

Remind me - are there still some suggesting that if we don’t agree an EU trade deal next year that we don’t pay EU the WA bill - now £33bn I think. Just wondering if UK would walk away from that and whether some thinks it OK were UK to do that. Or have they all shut up. The ERG mob were certainly adamant that we should just do that. Just wondering.

i would not advocate walking away from any debt and do not believe that would happen - although i suspect there could be fresh interpretations of some aspects of the bill

 

[Dando]

I do not recall any SNP politician saying that we will leave the UK without taking our share of the UK debt no matter how unfair that is.
As for fooling the public, for a nation that has just voted for Brexit and Johnson you will have sent many irony metres in orbit there
For someone who says he is not bothered by the outcome your words and language suggest otherwise.

why is it unfair that you pay a share of the UK’s debt if you leave?

 

[chrisd]

tbh Chris - if they leave without sorting out the debt - and no idea how they do that - and if they manage to have a currency - and if they have a 5%+ budget defecit - they will struggle to borrow as the sums do nott add up. I am not having a go at Scotland and if they want to go i would not lose sleep although i would rather they stay - but they willhave foooled the public into doing something that is so mad on any level of analysis that Wee Jimmie and the Krankie cronies should be jailed for deception

A spot on summary as I see it too Paul

 

[Doon frae Troon]

why is it unfair that you pay a share of the UK’s debt if you leave?

We had no choice in it's making.
The last time Scotland voted in favour of a Tory government was 1955.

 

[chrisd]

So should we jail those who promoted Brexit for the same reasons?

Except that the UK economy as a whole is much stronger than Scotland's is on it's own. Presumably if Scotland leave the Union our economy would be even stronger but, as others have said, I'd rather they stay, see how Brexit pans out and then leave if they are unhappy after, say, 5 to 10 years if they feel they could do better alone or part of a (bound) to fail EU

 

[Hobbit]

Just musing on the similarity between Ireland’s trade with the U.K. and Scotland’s trade with the rUK. If the reports on how disastrous it could be for Ireland, when the U.K. leaves the EU, even the possibility of falling back into recession, how would Scotland fair?

I’ll be honest, it’s up to Scotland but just wondering, is it wise at present? In terms of infrastructure, Scotland could outsource, just as the U.K. has done with the printing of passports, but there’s a million questions to be answered.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Is this the thread where people who still can't type the full name of a powerful woman into a thread who were in favour of Brexit despite all the vague promises and pie in the sky meaningless phrases and with literally every credible economic forecast saying it would harm the economy, suddenly turn into John Maynard Keynes in an attempt to justify why it is economically unsound for a nation to leave a long established union or trading bloc?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

We had no choice I'm it's making.
The last time Scotland voted in favour of a Tory government was 1955.

Don’t forget their part in bringing in thatcher in 1979.

 

[chrisd]

Don’t forget their part in bringing in thatcher in 1979.

Yep, guilty of bringing in by far the best PM of the century ??

 

[PNWokingham]

Is this the thread where people who still can't type the full name of a powerful woman into a thread who were in favour of Brexit despite all the vague promises and pie in the sky meaningless phrases and with literally every credible economic forecast saying it would harm the economy suddenly turn into John Maynard Keynes in an attempt to justify why it is economically unsound for a nation to leave a long established union or trading bloc?

you are missing the point and stirring brexit issues when the points being made are nothing to do with brexit - I am simply making the point that the questions that have no answers at present need answers before any logical person can vote on independence. Maybe there are solutions to these issues but they need the buy in of Westminster and Brussels on the big elephants in the room. And, again, to bang the same point - how does on independant Scotland, with or without a curreny, and with or without EU membership, raise around £150bn to pay the rest of the UK back?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Yep, guilty of bringing in by far the worst PM of the century ??

Fixed it for you

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Guys let’s not drift into semantics

I’m seeing some interesting points being made, which are mostly being deflected rather than any attempt to answer the points raised,

So let’s have a grown up debate about it and leave the schoolboy stuff at home.

 

[Fade and Die]

Is this the thread where people who still can't type the full name of a powerful woman into a thread who were in favour of Brexit despite all the vague promises and pie in the sky meaningless phrases and with literally every credible economic forecast saying it would harm the economy suddenly turn into John Maynard Keynes in an attempt to justify why it is economically unsound for a nation to leave a long established union or trading bloc?

And interestingly all the Scot nats posting on here were amongst the most ardent remainers! ?

 

[azazel]

For all those who think Scotland can’t afford to be independent, what is it about Scotland that would make it so uniquely incapable of running like a normal country? And, if 300 years of union have left it in such a state, what does that say about the union?

 

[drdel]

I do not recall any SNP politician saying that we will leave the UK without taking our share of the UK debt no matter how unfair that is.
As for fooling the public, for a nation that has just voted for Brexit and Johnson you will have sent many irony metres in orbit there
For someone who says he is not bothered by the outcome your words and language suggest otherwise.

IMO, other than blame Westminster, you have not put up any counter arguments to the main issues of currency, debt, border control and EU acceptance. As a supporter of SNP and, I assume, Independence what are your counter/solutions?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

IMO, other than blame Westminster, you have not put up any counter arguments to the main issues of currency, debt, border control and EU acceptance. As a supporter of SNP and, I assume, Independence what are your counter/solutions?

Various posters have answered, just look back a few posts and you will find all the replies