HughJars
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Make yer mind up!
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HughJars
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I'm sure you're right, having your finger on the pulse from about as far from Scotland as it's possible to be in the UK.
lobthewedge
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You‘ll need to explain, Brown was a backbencher and didnt even stand for re-election??
Doon frae Troon
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Do you recall the Unionist vow to Scotland, issued a couple of days before voting in 2014 when YES led the polls.
Brown was a big driver of that vow but it was signed by Cameron, Miliband and Clegg.
Perhaps you should re-visit it and count how many promises they fulfilled once they had won the vote.
I don't recall any except vote NO to stay in the EU.
Politics Joe getting English folk to draw where the Scottish border is.....mildly amusing and sad.
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I can tell you what is sad and terrible to read on a public forum owned by a private enterprise, is the constant distain you show towards 'English' people.
Cant believe it has been allowed to continue on this forum.
Any chance of stopping yourself in future and perhaps being a nice human being towards people, irrelevant of where they are born.
Thanks and all the best.
lobthewedge
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very sad Doon, reverting to type and spreading more bile and division.
pathetic.
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I use the knowledge that he embaresses himself and also his fellow countryman , his bitterness you get with the odd people in any country - we have some bitterness Englishmen as well.
Most people just laugh and point fingers at him and let him rant.
lobthewedge
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agree Phil, but there are thousands like him up here and the snp are only encouraging them. In the last week our own supreme leader referred to Scotland being imprisoned, the language is inflammatory and divisive.
yet this is the atmosphere in which they wish to hold indyref2?
HughJars
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lobthewedge
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no doubt it would have been an issue for some, but I think the milliband factor was the bigger rreason the labour vote collapsed, resulting in the snp victory.
all about opinions, and reckon we agree to disagree.
azazel
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Why do people say things like "her" referendum or "her" vote etc? It's clear that approaching 50% of people who are interested in politics in Scotland are in favour of independence so it's completely incorrect to claim that it's any one politician's referendum, election or otherwise.
It seems to me like it's yet another example of politics being dragged down to the American level, where it's easier to demonise one person rather than argue with half a country.
It seems to me like it's yet another example of politics being dragged down to the American level, where it's easier to demonise one person rather than argue with half a country.
drdel
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But it also means about 50% do not favour independence..
HughJars
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Way to miss the point entirely
HughJars
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It is exactly what it is.
drdel
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Exactly: in the same way your post skated over how the Government and Opposition comments are personalised to 'he' and 'his'. I was trying to address the issue not the person or gender.
Doon frae Troon
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How do you know that ? You have no idea of how that 50% would or would not vote in an independence referendum.
Remember 16 and 17 year olds and EU residents in Scotland may also vote in a referendum, both groups very Pro Independence.
Are you aware that the SNP's recent 45% of vote share in Scotland is greater than any Westminster mandate ever won by Johnson, Cameron. Blair or Thatcher.
You have to go back as far as Ted Heath to find a bigger mandate,
drdel
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IMO you are tripping yourself up with your knee-jerk, emotionally driven response. I respect your viewpoint and patriotiism but I sincerely believe, based on econometrics, that Independence in Scotland would lead to systemic economic failures.
A GE is a FPTP system where the backdrop is political and the '45%' may or may not contain a majority for independence. It is not relevant and it is spurious to compare that to a referendum. Westminster's GE data is another 'apples and pears' mistake so an irrelevance and a miss-understanding of the difference in the two systems and their purpose.
A Referendum on independence is normaly a binary choice seeking a simple majority vote where, in this case, Politics and patriotic opinions interplay; entirely different structure.
December YouGov survey suggested the prospect at a referendum is the support to leave may have decreased.
A GE is a FPTP system where the backdrop is political and the '45%' may or may not contain a majority for independence. It is not relevant and it is spurious to compare that to a referendum. Westminster's GE data is another 'apples and pears' mistake so an irrelevance and a miss-understanding of the difference in the two systems and their purpose.
A Referendum on independence is normaly a binary choice seeking a simple majority vote where, in this case, Politics and patriotic opinions interplay; entirely different structure.
December YouGov survey suggested the prospect at a referendum is the support to leave may have decreased.
That 45% is also partly for a socialist govt, not wholly a mandate for independence. You're spouting the same disingenuous rubbish she spouts. You're conflating the SNP vote as wholly for independence.
Doon frae Troon
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No I am not, I am comparing the Conservative parties mandate to the SNP's mandate from the election results.
Votes were 'lent' to both parties.
I see WJK has kicked off again this morning.
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