The SNIP

[Captainron]

Wrong - 100% wrong!

You may be right. Life expectancy up there is lower and it might actually be a new generation...

 

[Imurg]

Now can't be the right time to start IndyRef2.
With the Brexit barge about to get going, Trade talks are going to involve Scottish, Welsh and NIrish interests/commodities/services etc
How can they take place with the threat that, within a year, Scotland might be going its own way?
I'm not against Scotland leaving as such but the first referendum was a "once in a generation" thing - who coined that? Was it just implied or was it part of the wording somewhere..?
Either way, the referendum was only 5 years ago.
They need to, at least, get Brexit rolling before even thinking about it.

 

[Fade and Die]

I know it might only be semantics on my part - others will see it differently - but its not "the country splitting up." Scotland is a country in its own right. It would be a country leaving the Union, not the country splitting up.

So many times I see people saying Scotland can't do or shouldn't be allowed. Scotland are supposed to be an equal partner in the Union. Yes there shouldn't be disruption within the Union, and all countries working together, but if one country wants to leave, they shouldn't have to ask permission.

For the sake of continuity, minimum disruption, maybe there should be a minimum fixed period between when a country can ask to leave the Union

Brexit is a seismic shift for the countries in the Union, and as much as the argument has been had about it being a UK wide vote, ignoring the message coming out of Scotland is naive. Let them have a referendum but with the proviso that there is a minimum of 10 years(?) till the next one if it comes back as "no."

Your absolutly right it IS semantics.

The United Kingdom Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a Sovereign Country. Scotland leaving would split said Country up. Difficult for me to see it any other way.

 

[Wolf]

Being a bit sensitive there? Clearly F and D could have used the term "One", Instead of "you". But you chose to be offended.
Scotland is not a Country( ask the U.N.); It is a region of the UK. I am no expert, but defence experts, if they were allowed, could tell you exactly how vital the defence installations located in Scotland are to the whole UK.
Why should all that be risked because 2.4 million ( out if a total of 66 million UK residents) want break up the Country and create a new one.
And if it were permitted, how could the demands for Wales to go the same way be refused?
No British PM is going to be responsible for that outcome, unless forced to.
Sturgeon is in no position to demand anything. Her influence on the PM is now nothing. She can only accept what may be offered, and that will not be independence.

The joy of written word and how a simple exclamation mark can be misinterpreted.

Scotland is a country, the United Kingdown is made up of 4 constituant countries but thats semantics.

Hobbit has put it much better than I have so ill leave it there.

 

[Wolf]

Actually gave you a bit more credit than to take the “you” personally!?

I am a fervent “better together” supporter but I agree if there is a genuine will to have another indyref then they should have it but I’m not convinced there is, sturgeon, Blackford and Doon might try telling you (not literally you calm down) there is but my own experiences in Scotland suggest otherwise.

No need tell me to calm down, im perfectly calm. As I said above sometimes things seem out of context in written word ?

 

[Captainron]

brexit will have happened before any indyref so Scotland would have to reapply to join the EU if they ever got “independence”

 

[Fade and Die]

No need tell me to calm down, im perfectly calm. As I said above sometimes things seem out of context in written word ?

Sure you are.

 

[Wolf]

Sure you are.

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[lobthewedge]

I know it might only be semantics on my part - others will see it differently - but its not "the country splitting up." Scotland is a country in its own right. It would be a country leaving the Union, not the country splitting up.

So many times I see people saying Scotland can't do or shouldn't be allowed. Scotland are supposed to be an equal partner in the Union. Yes there shouldn't be disruption within the Union, and all countries working together, but if one country wants to leave, they shouldn't have to ask permission.

For the sake of continuity, minimum disruption, maybe there should be a minimum fixed period between when a country can ask to leave the Union

Brexit is a seismic shift for the countries in the Union, and as much as the argument has been had about it being a UK Let them have a referendum but with the proviso that there is a minimum of 10 years(?) till the next one if it comes back as "no."

Not sure I agree with you hobbit.

Do we just keep having referendums until they win? Or do you propose we keep voting every 10 years after that too, just in case the independance grass isn’t greener?

We would exist in a constant state of uncertainty, leading to maximum disruption and perpetual argument.

Not one of your better ideas.

 

[Hobbit]

Not sure I agree with you hobbit.

Do we just keep having referendums until they win? Or do you propose we keep voting every 10 years after that too, just in case the independance grass isn’t greener?

We would exist in a constant state of uncertainty, leading to maximum disruption and perpetual argument.

Not one of your better ideas.

it isn’t a good idea, it’s about respecting Scotland’s right to choose its own destiny. And once they’re out, they’re out unless the rest of the UK agrees to accept them back, assuming they come asking.

 

[Deleted member 21258]

Think for any referendums likes indy (would have included Brexit), they should never be settled on a simple majority vote. Bit silly to make such major changes and embark on such unknown roads if the vote is so close to 50:50..

Didnt canada do something like that ?

change the percentage to something sensible EDIT.. and would add a minimum percentage of the total adult over 18 must have been pro votes(irrelvant of the actual number voted)

 

[lobthewedge]

it isn’t a good idea, it’s about respecting Scotland’s right to choose its own destiny. And once they’re out, they’re out unless the rest of the UK agrees to accept them back, assuming they come asking.

Calling a new referendum every ten years, or five years, or every time the torys win at Westminster, or every time the snp win holyrood is a joke. A decision of this magnitude should be once in a generation and respected as such.

It would be a damning shame on us and our generation if we treat our union, our country, it’s history and all it stands for so casually.

 

[Hobbit]

Calling a new referendum every ten years, or five years, or every time the torys win at Westminster, or every time the snp win holyrood is a joke. A decision of this magnitude should be once in a generation and respected as such.

It would be a damning shame on us and our generation if we treat our union, our country, it’s history and all it stands for so casually.

Whatever...

 

[Jacko_G]

He may look it but Boris isnt daft, he wont want to be the PM that oversees the break up of the UK, so he will need to start caring for the smaller countries. What form this takes, who knows, but dishing out referendums certainly isnt the answer.

I never expected anything else from the SNP and especially our Supreme Leader. As you alluded to, its there main thing and they will use every and any opportunity to get what they want without a thought for anyone or anything outwith their SNP/YES bubble. They are an embarrassment to a great many Scots who just want peace and cant be arsed with the chippy, divisive attitude they spew at Westminster.

Just like your post is an embarrassment to a great many Scots who want independence.

Is their a difference?

 

[Jacko_G]

Think you're right about the salmond case.
Can't wait to see WJK's face leaving #10 after being told to do one, bulldog chewing a wasp springs to mind.

Oh my that is original!

 

[Jacko_G]

Calling a new referendum every ten years, or five years, or every time the torys win at Westminster, or every time the snp win holyrood is a joke. A decision of this magnitude should be once in a generation and respected as such.

It would be a damning shame on us and our generation if we treat our union, our country, it’s history and all it stands for so casually.

Says who? You and your "pro British attitude?"

History is history it will always be history, you can't erase it. It's the future you look to.

 

[lobthewedge]

Just like your post is an embarrassment to a great many Scots who want independence.

Is their a difference?

precisely my point, everyone’s blood is up and the country is so divided at the moment, do you really think another referendum this year is the answer?

 

[lobthewedge]

Says who? You and your "pro British attitude?"

History is history it will always be history, you can't erase it. It's the future you look to.

is my pro british attitude not allowed an opinion?

 

[IanM]

No. Surely you know that??


Joking apart, the exact opposite of pro British is taught in some schools. A cousins kid was taught about slavery, but had no idea who William Willberforce was.

 

[spongebob59]

Fair play to the snp dude in QT, spoke very well , never seen him before.
didn't seem to know the answer to what the options were if a section 30 ? Wasnt granted, does anyone know ??