The SNIP

[spongebob59]

In sure she won't be doing any sort of dance (maybe a little /large stomp) when BJ turns down her request for another referendum.

 

[Tashyboy]

The SNIP, don't wanna talk about it. Am still having flashbacks when he cut me nakka tubes.

 

[Dando]

In sure she won't be doing any sort of dance (maybe a little /large stomp) when BJ turns down her request for another referendum.

No doubt she’ll throw another almighty strop and go to court to try and get her own way

 

[spongebob59]

No doubt she’ll throw another almighty strop and go to court to try and get her own way

won't be her, one of her minions.

 

[lobthewedge]

if thats the case at the moment Scotland is part of the UK, returned 48 of 59 seats, if Scotland want to have another Ref how is it not in the interest of the UK?

I reckon the original post should have read 'the Government believes to be in the BEST interest of the UK'.

Brexit is now going to happen, everyone in the country should accept that fact and get on with making the best of it, that includes the SNP and all other remainers. After 3 years of self inflicted turmoil, we have become a laughing stock and the UK badly needs stability for what is ahead of us the next couple of years. The last thing the countries need is another referendum of such magnitude that it could threaten the very fabric of the UK. It is a time for us to lick our wounds and show some unity, not another bitter argument, sowing more division and spreading more bile.

Im not a Boris fan, but its time to give the guy his chance, see what comes of Brexit, let the dust settle on it and then perhaps revisit the independence question if (or when) he makes a proper arse of it. The question of independence and the survival of the UK is far too big and important to jump into at this time.

The people of Scotland and the UK deserve better than this selfish knee jerk reaction from the SNP, and Boris will be entirely justified in telling Wee Nicola that now is not the time.

PS - I do wonder if the SNP are deliberately trying to rush forward with this before the Salmond case hits the courts. I think they know a storm is on the horizon and they are trying to make hay while the sun is shining. Just a thought!?

 

[patricks148]

I reckon the original post should have read 'the Government believes to be in the BEST interest of the UK'.

Brexit is now going to happen, everyone in the country should accept that fact and get on with making the best of it, that includes the SNP and all other remainers. After 3 years of self inflicted turmoil, we have become a laughing stock and the UK badly needs stability for what is ahead of us the next couple of years. The last thing the countries need is another referendum of such magnitude that it could threaten the very fabric of the UK. It is a time for us to lick our wounds and show some unity, not another bitter argument, sowing more division and spreading more bile.

Im not a Boris fan, but its time to give the guy his chance, see what comes of Brexit, let the dust settle on it and then perhaps revisit the independence question if (or when) he makes a proper arse of it. The question of independence and the survival of the UK is far too big and important to jump into at this time.

The people of Scotland and the UK deserve better than this selfish knee jerk reaction from the SNP, and Boris will be entirely justified in telling Wee Nicola that now is not the time.

but Boris doesn't care about Scotland or Wales Or NI, i think we have a lot more indy talk from all corners coming, i thinks its naive to expect the SNP to take it lying down after its there main thing, they will keep trying untill the get it

 

[spongebob59]

Think you're right about the salmond case.
Can't wait to see WJK's face leaving #10 after being told to do one, bulldog chewing a wasp springs to mind.

 

[Wolf]

Out of interest why are so many people against the idea of Scottish independence? Yet at the same time want Brexit giving us a break from the EU.

I think Scotland should have the right to choose independence and make its own way. It will be difficult early on for them if it happens but they're a nation in their own right so give them the right to decide and fall or succeed, it wouldn't happen overnight anyway there'd be a lot of work to do to get there

 

[lobthewedge]

but Boris doesn't care about Scotland or Wales Or NI, i think we have a lot more indy talk from all corners coming, i thinks its naive to expect the SNP to take it lying down after its there main thing, they will keep trying untill the get it

He may look it but Boris isnt daft, he wont want to be the PM that oversees the break up of the UK, so he will need to start caring for the smaller countries. What form this takes, who knows, but dishing out referendums certainly isnt the answer.

I never expected anything else from the SNP and especially our Supreme Leader. As you alluded to, its there main thing and they will use every and any opportunity to get what they want without a thought for anyone or anything outwith their SNP/YES bubble. They are an embarrassment to a great many Scots who just want peace and cant be arsed with the chippy, divisive attitude they spew at Westminster.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Out of interest why are so many people against the idea of Scottish independence? Yet at the same time want Brexit giving us a break from the EU.

I think Scotland should have the right to choose independence and make its own way. It will be difficult early on for them if it happens but they're a nation in their own right so give them the right to decide and fall or succeed, it wouldn't happen overnight anyway there'd be a lot of work to do to get there

The problem (please feel free any Scottish people to correct me were I’m wrong) not everybody in Scotland wants independence, how many referendums should those opposed have forced on them until the minority (as per the last referendum) win.

I totally agree it should be their choice, but the most noise, like the EU Referendum, seems to come from those who lost last time.
Which party or who is fighting for those who don’t want to leave the Union.

 

[IanM]

Sure last poll, Independence was in the minority. (Not that the SNP want independence, they want out of UK and into EU!)

Last night does show a healthy majority would never Vote Tory, don't like Corbyn (except for one end of Glasgow) so SNP doing nicely!

 

[lobthewedge]

Which party or who is fighting for those who don’t want to leave the Union.

Conservative, Labour and LibDems all campaigned on a pro Union stance and combined they secured more votes (not seats) than the SNP. Is this grounds to question the mandate they all bleat on about??

 

[Wolf]

The problem (please feel free any Scottish people to correct me were I’m wrong) not everybody in Scotland wants independence, how many referendums should those opposed have forced on them until the minority (as per the last referendum) win.

I totally agree it should be their choice, but the most noise, like the EU Referendum, seems to come from those who lost last time.
Which party or who is fighting for those who don’t want to leave the Union.

Fully understand that not everyone in Scotland may want it, no different to the Brexit were going through many don't want that but democracy wins out so we leave no problems with that. The difference I see now though compared to when Scotland had indyref, is we've since had the Brexit vote, that could potentially change the minds of some of the original Scotland remainers. Because now they're being taken out of the EU by default that could potentially change everything and they may choose to leave the UK to remain in the EU.

Thats why im genuinely intrigued by why so many people that are not Scottish or living outside of Scotland are so anti Scotland independence.

 

[Fade and Die]

Out of interest why are so many people against the idea of Scottish independence? Yet at the same time want Brexit giving us a break from the EU.

I think Scotland should have the right to choose independence and make its own way. It will be difficult early on for them if it happens but they're a nation in their own right so give them the right to decide and fall or succeed, it wouldn't happen overnight anyway there'd be a lot of work to do to get there

You can not compare a 400 year old union with a 40 year old trading agreement!
Scotland is part of Great Britain, I am British and do not want the Country splitting up and being weaker for it.

I wonder if (hope) the SNP might take a leaf out of the Sinn Fein book and not take up their seats in Parliament in protest....being unable to swear allegiance to The Queen etc?

Give us a rest from the whinging ?

 

[Jacko_G]

Sturgeon only started taliking up another referendum after they had won a load of seats back from Labour.
I don’t think another referendum will be any help to anyone after the last one was a once in a generation vote.

Wrong - 100% wrong!

 

[Wolf]

You can not compare a 400 year old union with a 40 year old trading agreement!
Scotland is part of Great Britain, I am British and do not want the Country splitting up and being weaker for it.

I wonder if (hope) the SNP might take a leaf out of the Sinn Fein book and not take up their seats in Parliament in protest....being unable to swear allegiance to The Queen etc?

Give us a rest from the whinging ?

Can't I do that who says i can't.. A 400 year old agreement it may well be but that doesn't change the fact they're a nation in their own right and should have more say in whether they become independent and remain part of an economic union that is ultimately bigger than the UK.

By all means disagree but don't tell me what i can and can't compare.

 

[spongebob59]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1205554870025109504

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Can't I do that who says i can't.. A 400 year old agreement it may well be but that doesn't change the fact they're a nation in their own right and should have more say in whether they become independent and remain part of an economic union that is ultimately bigger than the UK.

By all means disagree but don't tell me what i can and can't compare.

Being a bit sensitive there? Clearly F and D could have used the term "One", Instead of "you". But you chose to be offended.
Scotland is not a Country( ask the U.N.); It is a region of the UK. I am no expert, but defence experts, if they were allowed, could tell you exactly how vital the defence installations located in Scotland are to the whole UK.
Why should all that be risked because 2.4 million ( out if a total of 66 million UK residents) want break up the Country and create a new one.
And if it were permitted, how could the demands for Wales to go the same way be refused?
No British PM is going to be responsible for that outcome, unless forced to.
Sturgeon is in no position to demand anything. Her influence on the PM is now nothing. She can only accept what may be offered, and that will not be independence.

 

[Fade and Die]

Can't I do that who says i can't.. A 400 year old agreement it may well be but that doesn't change the fact they're a nation in their own right and should have more say in whether they become independent and remain part of an economic union that is ultimately bigger than the UK.

By all means disagree but don't tell me what i can and can't compare.

Actually gave you a bit more credit than to take the “you” personally!?

I am a fervent “better together” supporter but I agree if there is a genuine will to have another indyref then they should have it but I’m not convinced there is, sturgeon, Blackford and Doon might try telling you (not literally you calm down) there is but my own experiences in Scotland suggest otherwise.

 

[Hobbit]

You can not compare a 400 year old union with a 40 year old trading agreement!
Scotland is part of Great Britain, I am British and do not want the Country splitting up and being weaker for it.

I wonder if (hope) the SNP might take a leaf out of the Sinn Fein book and not take up their seats in Parliament in protest....being unable to swear allegiance to The Queen etc?

Give us a rest from the whinging ?

I know it might only be semantics on my part - others will see it differently - but its not "the country splitting up." Scotland is a country in its own right. It would be a country leaving the Union, not the country splitting up.

So many times I see people saying Scotland can't do or shouldn't be allowed. Scotland are supposed to be an equal partner in the Union. Yes there shouldn't be disruption within the Union, and all countries working together, but if one country wants to leave, they shouldn't have to ask permission.

For the sake of continuity, minimum disruption, maybe there should be a minimum fixed period between when a country can ask to leave the Union

Brexit is a seismic shift for the countries in the Union, and as much as the argument has been had about it being a UK wide vote, ignoring the message coming out of Scotland is naive. Let them have a referendum but with the proviso that there is a minimum of 10 years(?) till the next one if it comes back as "no."