The SNIP

[Jacko_G]

Energy and resource rich? There is undoubtedly the potential for that without question but that will need investment. Desireable for people to live and work? I'd happily visit and live in Edinburgh but I'd rather scoop out my eyes with a wooden spoon than live in Aberdeen, again, or Glasgow. Too many not very nice people for me - some very nice people, some of which we're still in contact with, but also too many real A-holes.

As for the EU would welcome Scotland; I think they would. But in terms of financial rules to join, I suggest you look at what the GDP is supposed to be to pass the criteria. It didn't stop the EU from relaxing those rules in 2010 for Eastern Europe but if they decide to re-adopt them Scotland won't get in.

Honestly, if Scotland did go for independence I'd hope they did a Norway. They have enough long term oil revenue to run the economy Norway-style, and make a real good positive go of it. If they go for EU membership they need to consider how the EU is currently forcing financial issues on Ireland and Italy.

Likewise in many parts of England, Wales. Ireland, NI - so not really a point worth making.

 

[Jacko_G]

until the main parties sort themselves out, or another unionist party comes to the fore, no I don’t see the snp losing many seats. but I don’t feel they are a true representation of the people of Scotland at Westminster. Like I said and you have reinforced with your parting question, they have this unhealthy ingrained psyche that forbids them from acting for the good of the uk, only adding to the toxicity of politics at this time.

The clue is in the name of the party!

Simply put any country in the world should want their own identity and independance.

 

[Fade and Die]

The clue is in the name of the party!

Simply put any country in the world should want their own identity and independance.

But that’s the biggest con of all, they don’t really want independence, they want to jump into bed with the EU! Why do they not say it as it is? They just hate the English. (The snp that is, not Scots)

 

[Deleted member 18588]

The EU's serious concerns are focused on their eastern borders and 'managing' the Russians.

An independent Scotland might get 'in' but with EU economic trends you might soon wish you weren't. Try retaining the oil wealth under those circumstances!

What oil wealth?

Apart from anything else the oil should surely be the "property" of the Shetland Isles and many of the islanders do not appear keen on being part of an independent Scotland.

Still I am sure the SNP will be happy to grant them a referendum.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

In that case i apologise for Scotland boring you for wanting to have decision over its own destiny, its future. and its independance.

Very good of you 😁. I'm happy for Scotland to have all of that, go for it. The tedious aspect is having the option to do all of that, rejecting it and then a vocal element not accepting the vote and wanting another go so soon after the last vote. It all sounds very familiar, doesn't it?

If the SNP lose again then they still wont accept it, the moans will continue. Yes, that is boring to listen to.

 

[Jacko_G]

What oil wealth?

Apart from anything else the oil should surely be the "property" of the Shetland Isles and many of the islanders do not appear keen on being part of an independent Scotland.

Still I am sure the SNP will be happy to grant them a referendum.

Really???

 

[Jacko_G]

But that’s the biggest con of all, they don’t really want independence, they want to jump into bed with the EU! Why do they not say it as it is? They just hate the English. (The snp that is, not Scots)

Jeezus - thought I had read it all till I read that!

 

[patricks148]

Very good of you 😁. I'm happy for Scotland to have all of that, go for it. The tedious aspect is having the option to do all of that, rejecting it and then a vocal element not accepting the vote and wanting another go so soon after the last vote. It all sounds very familiar, doesn't it?

If the SNP lose again then they still wont accept it, the moans will continue. Yes, that is boring to listen to.[/QUOTE

as has been said in manay many threads don't watch it then.... ?

does watching current affairs on any other subject bore you too and what about the conflict in Ireland did that bore you too?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Really???

Well no one will know until the question is asked of the islanders.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I don't watch programmes specifically dedicated to SNP politics or interviews with NS. However she and Ian Blackford are often on the news and radio being quoted so they can not be avoided. It would be fine if they spoke on different subjects but they are like a broken record.

They aren't alone, listening to pure Brexit programmes with certain politicians has the same effect, churning out the same mantra over and over.

If politicians don't have anything fresh or positive to say then why would it be interesting to follow?

 

[Fade and Die]

Jeezus - thought I had read it all till I read that!

So what part of my post is inaccurate then?
The SNP want to leave the Union to be in the EU?

 

[patricks148]

I don't watch programmes specifically dedicated to SNP politics or interviews with NS. However she and Ian Blackford are often on the news and radio being quoted so they can not be avoided. It would be fine if they spoke on different subjects but they are like a broken record.

They aren't alone, listening to pure Brexit programmes with certain politicians has the same effect, churning out the same mantra over and over.

If politicians don't have anything fresh or positive to say then why would it be interesting to follow?

really, if they are on the news its seen by the broadcaster as news worthy, itys thew same for us, i have to put up with crap about how great the SE of England is in pretty much every program, SE stories and weather dominate the national news, its as if anything north of Watford doesn't exist.. b o ho

 

[Jacko_G]

Well no one will know until the question is asked of the islanders.

Well the fact that you think all of the oil goes ashore to Shetland or the Shetland fields are the only oil fields in Scotland shows the ignorance of your original post.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Well the fact that you think all of the oil goes ashore to Shetland or the Shetland fields are the only oil fields in Scotland shows the ignorance of your original post.

My point did not relate to where the oil reaches these shores. It did refer to the location of the majority of the more profitable fields.

In any event the whole argument is rapidly becoming irrelevant due to falling returns and reduced reliance upon fossil fuels.

 

[patricks148]

My point did not relate to where the oil reaches these shores. It did refer to the location of the majority of the more profitable fields.

In any event the whole argument is rapidly becoming irrelevant due to falling returns and reduced reliance upon fossil fuels.

didn't the Uk gov re define the oil fields a few years ago so that a great may field that were in scotland are now in English waters?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

didn't the Uk gov re define the oil fields a few years ago so that a great may field that were in scotland are now in English waters?

Whatever Westminster or Holyrood may attempt they cannot deny the physical location of any of the fields.

 

[patricks148]

Whatever Westminster or Holyrood may attempt they cannot deny the physical location of any of the fields.

i think they re wrote the maritme map so a couple of the biggest field s were now in English waters

 

[Deleted member 18588]

i think they re wrote the maritme map so a couple of the biggest field s were now in English waters

Probably made specifically the property of
Greater London. 😗

 

[chrisd]

really, if they are on the news its seen by the broadcaster as new worthy, itys thew same for us, i have to put up with crap about how great the SE of England is in pretty much every program, SE stories and weather dominate the national news, its as if anything north of Watford doesn't exist.. b o ho

Watford ! Blimey, that's way north

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So what part of my post is inaccurate then?
The SNP want to leave the Union to be in the EU?

Groundhog day AGAIN.
You know the answer to that, it has been posted up on here on many occasions, one only a few posts ago.
Please pay more attention or switch the broken record off.