The Masters 2025

Arthur Wedge said:
Is it not a valid opinion then ?

He doesn’t like his approach and didn’t think it would work at Augusta - he knows his stuff
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Absolutely it's a valid opinion and Faldo never suggested t he didn't like BDC only that he didn't think Bryson's attempts to overpower the course would work.

He may have seemed to be a little persistent in that criticism as Bryson himself persisted in making the same error so hardly Faldo's fault.

Perhaps this conversation reflects the modern day attitude towards stars in all sports where their fans believe players should not be criticised.
 
Orikoru said:
No, you're not understanding what we're saying. Of course he will be critical if Bryson hooks an iron into the drink. But he also makes a lot of general back-handed comments about him that make it clear he doesn't like his approach in overpowering courses with more distance, and so on.
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Should he just lie, and say he loves what Bryson does?

If he doesn't like it, he doesn't like it. And if he identifies potential flaws in that approach or his swing on the day, then it seems reasonable for him to express his opinion. It is what he is paid to do. I notice Harrington was quite critical of Bryson in that video I linked yesterday. Although he was more surprised that Bryson tried to be a different golfer than he has become, and made some unusual decisions.

Plenty of people in here have also slagged of Bryson over the years. I seem to remember quite a few moans when he could overpower certain golf courses, hated the approach and wanted the course set-up to be different to stop him doing it. So, it isn't just Faldo that has a dislike to Bryson's approach
 
Criticism is fine, and part of a pundits job. Faldo just doesn't seem to like BDC though, and that overpowered his commentary at the weekend. BDC had a poor last round but Faldo clearly couldn't handle that he does things differently and that they largely work for him. The criticism went beyond the norm, imo and clearly others, it became a bit too personal.

I haven't minded Faldo in the past but this was not a good tournament for him. His self obsession was embarrassing. Never more so when he was asked to say something nice about Bernhard Langer and still brought it back to himself.
 
Orikoru said:
This is like banging my head against a wall.

He doesn't have to go on and on about it making it clear he doesn't like him does he?

Just forget it.
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He sort of has to though, because a lot of TV coverage was on Bryson as he was having a meltdown. It was difficult to give him any praise at the time. I guess Faldo could have just stayed silent, or ignored Bryson's shot and spend the time talking about his own Masters record a bit more. But, even if Bryson hit the odd shot with a good outcome, if he has a horrible hook in him that can reveal itself at any given time, then it is going to be talked about a lot. At least until the TV cameras stop showing him.
 
I like Faldo but he is very self-obsessed as a pundit - fair enough he has good cause I suppose. I'm surprised that he doesn't warm to Bryson more as his approach was very much technique over flair. I did think he made some slightly snidy comments. The hole where Bryson pulled it into the water "he doesn't have the ability to hold it off"...ouch. Mind you I did also feel Butch was clearly in Bryson's corner, albeit more subtly, so maybe it balanced itself out.

I think my post count is through the roof with the 3 Rory-based threads. As I'm OCD and have to check every "alert" I wonder how you more prolific posters cope when you log on and there's 20 of them!!!
 
Starter said:
Absolutely it's a valid opinion and Faldo never suggested t he didn't like BDC only that he didn't think Bryson's attempts to overpower the course would work.

He may have seemed to be a little persistent in that criticism as Bryson himself persisted in making the same error so hardly Faldo's fault.

Perhaps this conversation reflects the modern day attitude towards stars in all sports where their fans believe players should not be criticised.
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Nobody said that. Criticise the poor shots we were seeing on the screen at the time, by all means. No need to repeatedly criticise his whole approach which has won him two majors in the past and multiple top tens.
 
JonnyGutteridge said:
Rory has now completed the grand slam*

Has Talor Gooch commented yet?
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Talor Gooch is a passionate sportsman, and isn’t that what we want from golfers, to have original thoughts and authenticity….just to speak his mind and be his authentic self etc etc etc etc

(This is the sort of response that’s parroted if Rory says something ridiculous or is a bit hot-headed)

So, let’s see the same consistency from those who are riding McIlroy so hard…will they have the self-awareness, balance, fair mindedness and consistency when it’s a golfer they don’t like???

Of course not…
 
evemccc said:
Talor Gooch is a passionate sportsman, and isn’t that what we want from golfers, to have original thoughts and authenticity….just to speak his mind and be his authentic self etc etc etc etc

(This is the sort of response that’s parroted if Rory says something ridiculous or is a bit hot-headed)

So, let’s see the same consistency from those who are riding McIlroy so hard…will they have the self-awareness, balance, fair mindedness and consistency when it’s a golfer they don’t like???

Of course not…
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One of them is actually one of the best in the world

Has won 5 majors

Career slam

Ryder cups

Fed ex’s

The list is endless

Rory backs up his words on the golf course

His place in golf legendary status is cemented

The other is only a legend in his own house
 
evemccc said:
Talor Gooch is a passionate sportsman, and isn’t that what we want from golfers, to have original thoughts and authenticity….just to speak his mind and be his authentic self etc etc etc etc

(This is the sort of response that’s parroted if Rory says something ridiculous or is a bit hot-headed)

So, let’s see the same consistency from those who are riding McIlroy so hard…will they have the self-awareness, balance, fair mindedness and consistency when it’s a golfer they don’t like???

Of course not…
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Actually I am trying to do just that regarding Bryson. I'm not keen on him at all. I do think he's a bit fake. I've not once been mean about him nor did I wish him ill come Sunday, despite wanting Rory to win badly. The stuff from those who wanted him and not Rory has been pretty damned poor. I think us Rory Fanboys might have been entitled to retaliate but not sure I've seen much of that at all. Well, apart from his swing looking like a Gorilla with a 7 iron 🤭
 
PJ87 said:
Thing is about that masters is I think everyone is pretty much agreed it was the best final day for a long time. Since woods won, maybe even beats that for excitement as we didn't have a clue who would win until that final putt.

Both those in the play off would have been popular winners. Yes I'm not the biggest Rory fan but him winning is to be respected where as say it had been someone Hatton or BDC a lot of the forum would be up in arms about them .. more than speak about Rory for sure.

Where as if rose had won the Rory thread would have been started by someone else but with a different question, is this it now? Etc etc and every major would have the same back and forth of can he get that 5th... Let alone a slam.

So like I said it's a great outcome. It was a fantastic watch. We saw golfers suffer but then pull off brilliant shots.. I mean Rory has to have hit the worst shot of the tournament on 13 and then the best on 15 that's ridiculous.

Golf won on Sunday because it was so close and we got to see passion for everyone involved

Onto the next major
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At last, a bit of positive from you PJ87. 😂
 
AmandaJR said:
Actually I am trying to do just that regarding Bryson. I'm not keen on him at all. I do think he's a bit fake. I've not once been mean about him nor did I wish him ill come Sunday, despite wanting Rory to win badly. The stuff from those who wanted him and not Rory has been pretty damned poor. I think us Rory Fanboys might have been entitled to retaliate but not sure I've seen much of that at all. Well, apart from his swing looking like a Gorilla with a 7 iron 🤭
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It’s a shame that there seems to be a lot of negativity aimed at Rory right now

Most of us are concentrating on how well Rory did etc

None of us are looking to be negative towards BDC and how he played etc
 
Orikoru said:
Nobody said that. Criticise the poor shots we were seeing on the screen at the time, by all means. No need to repeatedly criticise his whole approach which has won him two majors in the past and multiple top tens.
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Exactly. People were quick to moan at the two doubles of Rory in the first round but he found a way to bounce back and win. I don't think there is a player, certainly since Woods but probably including him, who didn't hit at least several bad shot on the way to winning a major. Isn't there a quote that says its not how many good shots I hit but how few bad ones I hit
 
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