PaulMdj
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It’s one frame, absolutely proves nothing.
Arthur Wedge
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In the frame before was any Chelsea player grabbing an Arsenal player
A video clip would give the full picture
There were a number of times at corners where Saliba was grabbing Pedro but also Pedro was grabbing him
PaulMdj
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Count the fouls!!Neilds
Assistant Pro
I'm not saying that Chelsea were blameless during set pieces, heck there could even have been some set pieces where none of the players even touched an opponent (highly unlikely) but in the still there are clear and obvious fouls which should have been picked up by the officials.
Arthur Wedge
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What I was saying is that still is a single moment in time , yes Arsenal players have a hold of Chelsea players - but what about the frame before or before when for the same set piece they could have been initially fouls by Chelsea players
A still will always look back - was the ball even in play etc
Need to get the full picture to make a judgment
PaulMdj
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That’s not correct, there have been loads of examples in games were there seems obvious examples of fouls in the penalty box at corners and the Officials have come out afterwards or VAR during the game and stated both teams were “at it” and play on.
So your picture could be a foul, or, seconds before Rice was being fouled and therefore they’ve let it go.
RichA
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Yeah. They might have just been bearhugging them for the 0.02 of a second that still covered.
Swango1980
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If you focus on every single individual player packed into the box, defending and attacking, I wouldn't be surprised if you could count at least half a dozen clear fouls, in your own subjective opinion. And I believe the vast majority of those subjective opinions would align.
Take Declan Rice in the corner with his handball shout. It was clear he was tightly grabbing the attacker, with both arms, from behind. Clearly to stop him moving away from him and from jumping upwards. Given the attacker was in front of Rice, I'd say Rice is very much the one who is guilty of a "foul". Take the very next corner. This time Rice was ahead of the front post, had his back to the ball, and was using sumo wrestling moves on the Chelsea attacker, almost pushing him out of play. A goal was scored anyway, but if it wasn't, how is that legal? In other corners, we saw Saliba firmily grabbing an opponent from behind.
I've no issue with players having their arms out to protect their space, and having to be physically strong to do so. But hugging an opponent, in my view, should probably be a foul.
Take Declan Rice in the corner with his handball shout. It was clear he was tightly grabbing the attacker, with both arms, from behind. Clearly to stop him moving away from him and from jumping upwards. Given the attacker was in front of Rice, I'd say Rice is very much the one who is guilty of a "foul". Take the very next corner. This time Rice was ahead of the front post, had his back to the ball, and was using sumo wrestling moves on the Chelsea attacker, almost pushing him out of play. A goal was scored anyway, but if it wasn't, how is that legal? In other corners, we saw Saliba firmily grabbing an opponent from behind.
I've no issue with players having their arms out to protect their space, and having to be physically strong to do so. But hugging an opponent, in my view, should probably be a foul.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
..but there you go. Why probably? Just make hugging an opponent a foul...end of. Can't be done?. Well look at what rugby has done changing the 'escort' rule - when previously players on one team could make blocking runs to protect a player collecting a kick; no more. Google search AI is my friend on this..
- Definition: An "escort" is a player, usually a teammate of the kicker, who positions themselves to block or impede an opponent from tackling the player catching a high ball.
- The Crackdown: Referees are instructed to heavily penalize defenders who deliberately obstruct chasers, treating it as unfair obstruction, even if they aren't directly tackling
nickjdavis
Head Pro
Surely there's a justifiable case in there for a sharp elbow to the ribs?
...or maybe an "accidental studs down the shin" as you try to wrestle your way out of the bear hug?
Swango1980
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I used the word "probably" as I was jokingly understating it. I can't think why anyone would believe hugging an opponent is ever an acceptable way to mark them.
venger
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Tottenham: Spurs write to PGMOL chief Howard Webb over refereeing decisions
Tottenham have written to Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL) chief Howard Webb to raise their concerns over key refereeing decisions, sources have told BBC Sport.
www.bbc.co.uk
Steve Wilkes
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When a team gets a corner, I think instead of giving themselves the best chance of scoring, they should ping it to the 18-yard box and get a striker to do a once in a lifetime overhead scissor kick.
The goalkeeper should stand over one side of the goal and make a fantastic flying diving effort to try and save it. This way the armchair supporters and Arne Slot might fall in love with football again.
The goalkeeper should stand over one side of the goal and make a fantastic flying diving effort to try and save it. This way the armchair supporters and Arne Slot might fall in love with football again.
I read a comment today from David Moyes, who had said something in relation to Arsenal and what he referred to as “dark arts” at set pieces. I confess I didn’t see the full context.
But I did think it rather odd he should make the reference given what his own players did for every corner against United last week. It’s the first time I’ve really noticed the extent of what now goes on and it was, frankly, ridiculous. At one corner Tarkowski was virtually lying back on the defender behind him. It was farcical.
It needs sorting.
But I did think it rather odd he should make the reference given what his own players did for every corner against United last week. It’s the first time I’ve really noticed the extent of what now goes on and it was, frankly, ridiculous. At one corner Tarkowski was virtually lying back on the defender behind him. It was farcical.
It needs sorting.
Arthur Wedge
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Tottenham: Spurs write to PGMOL chief Howard Webb over refereeing decisions
Tottenham have written to Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL) chief Howard Webb to raise their concerns over key refereeing decisions, sources have told BBC Sport.
I suspect Howard Webb will file it in the same place all the other letters go
4LEX
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irip
Head Pro
Nothing will happen with set pieces this season as officials cannot be seen to be changing things during the season.
I will be amazed if we didn’t see teams warned before the World Cup and the start of next season that grabbing pulling etc will result in fouls.
They did it just before the Russia World Cup and it resulted in much less holding and those that were resulted in fouls and penalties if the defending team
I will be amazed if we didn’t see teams warned before the World Cup and the start of next season that grabbing pulling etc will result in fouls.
They did it just before the Russia World Cup and it resulted in much less holding and those that were resulted in fouls and penalties if the defending team
I’m not sure they actually need to change anything, as a foul is a foul, but I get your point.
I remember England benefitted during that World Cup with a couple of penalties for holding offences.
irip
Head Pro
I don’t think the rules/laws will change but I think the refs will pick up on holding/pulling general WWE stuff we see at every set piece by every team.
They normally have a rule every year that has been ignored that comes back into fashion.
Last year it was kicking the ball away
It’s maddening that it’s become such a hot topic of conversation. Some of the bear hugs are a joke. As all commentators and pundits say, those offences are a foul anywhere else on the pitch.
If a foul is a foul it should be treated as such regardless of where it occurs. To not give one simply because it happens in the penalty area makes an utter nonsense of the rules of the game.
