The Footie Thread

[Bunkermagnet]

Yes it matters. If the tibia bone is broken in two pieces, then you don’t walk , let alone play football!
I’m also surprised that these days a player is allowed to play on with a serious injury.

I think you missed my point. The medical world call anything other than a complete, intact and issue free bone as broken. Likewise we all have different pain thresholds.
Obviously, if the bone was in 2 pieces there’s no way she would have been able to play, but if it’s say a stress fracture and stable, she may well have been able to ride the pain and want to play.
If she is able to give 100% knowing her condition then fair play to her. If however she was like James, who knew she wasn’t fit and still played unable to give even 50% then that’s a different story.

I remember Phil Neal playing a whole season with a broken toe for fear of not getting back into the match day team. Some players are just more mentally tougher.

 

[Aztecs27]

Having a pop at 12th placed Palace, love it.

We won a major trophy pretty recently, the first one we have ever won. We have been in the lower leagues for most of our history, but we are currently enjoying our longest period in the top flight and our team and squad improves imo every season. If you think our chairman is 'sitting back' then fair enough, but I don't agree.

To be fair, it wasn’t a dig at Palace necessarily, I actually like Palace…but it’s a common joke that you don’t seem to finish anywhere other than 12th every season, which you could argue isn’t ambitious…and Parish clearly didn’t think you’d be anywhere near Europe as he’d have checked his emails if he did

I’d take 12th and an FA cup win every day of the week, let’s be honest!

My point was Marinakis is probably more ambitious than a lot of owners and tends to stick to his word and it isn’t just lip service.

When he took over, he said he’d get Forest back to the Premier League, and he has. When we got promoted, he stood in front of thousands of fans in Market Square and said he would bring European football back to Nottingham, and he has.

He isn’t just here to make up the numbers, and that’s why Forest fans love him and his quirks.

 

[Tashyboy]

Yes it matters. If the tibia bone is broken in two pieces, then you don’t walk , let alone play football!
I’m also surprised that these days a player is allowed to play on with a serious injury.

I remember John Madden of the NFL saying “ there is a difference between a player who is hurt and a player who is injured”. A fractured tibia is an injury. I am gobsmacked someone was allowed to play with that injury. A bit more info to explain why would help.

 

[Swango1980]

I remember John Madden of the NFL saying “ there is a difference between a player who is hurt and a player who is injured”. A fractured tibia is an injury. I am gobsmacked someone was allowed to play with that injury. A bit more info to explain why would help.

Lucy Bronze: How did England's Euro 2025 winner play with a fractured leg?

Physiotherapist Nick Worth tells BBC Sport how Lucy Bronze was able to play through Euro 2025 with a fractured tibia.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Don Barzini]

News from Italy is he's rejected Napoli and chosen Forest.

It’s had the “Here we go” treatment from Fabrizio Romano but let’s face it, that isn’t worth as much as it used to be!

If it’s concrete though, I’m fairly pleased with it. I watch the sum total of zero minutes of Serie A, but from reports and highlights he looks like he could be a great replacement for Elanga.

 

[Don Barzini]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1949897858850660647

It’s not a surprise to see it happening now after Chelsea then Villa did it

Good on Everton for doing this.

If the likes of Chelsea are going to pull this kind of crap and get away with it, I’m all for anyone and everyone else doing it as well.

 

[Swinglowandslow]

I think you missed my point. The medical world call anything other than a complete, intact and issue free bone as broken. Likewise we all have different pain thresholds.
Obviously, if the bone was in 2 pieces there’s no way she would have been able to play, but if it’s say a stress fracture and stable, she may well have been able to ride the pain and want to play.
If she is able to give 100% knowing her condition then fair play to her. If however she was like James, who knew she wasn’t fit and still played unable to give even 50% then that’s a different story.

I remember Phil Neal playing a whole season with a broken toe for fear of not getting back into the match day team. Some players are just more mentally tougher.

I agree with all this except I didn’t miss your point .
. Maybe you missed mine , which was about the dramatic reporting of what happened. It could have said she played the match with a painful leg which turned out to be a hairline fracture of the tibia.
But it was starker than that.
No doubt the girl had a painful leg but the biggest game of her life was coming up , so she played rather than miss it. Or, got the injury in the game and carried on, don’t know.
Perfectly understandable.
(Turned out to be a hairline fracture or similar)
I can’t see that the medical team had any inkling of such an injury.

 

[Swango1980]

I agree with all this except I didn’t miss your point .
. Maybe you missed mine , which was about the dramatic reporting of what happened. It could have said she played the match with a painful leg which turned out to be a hairline fracture of the tibia.
But it was starker than that.
No doubt the girl had a painful leg but the biggest game of her life was coming up , so she played rather than miss it. Or, got the injury in the game and carried on, don’t know.
Perfectly understandable.
(Turned out to be a hairline fracture or similar)
I can’t see that the medical team had any inkling of such an injury.

In summary, you are saying that she is lying? Or that she had a sore leg, and she just assumed it was a fracture but was wrong? Are you saying it is impossible to play several games with any sort of minor break of the tibia?

It is just that the medical experts in the BBC article didn't seem to confidently tell us that she definitely couldn't have had a fracture of the tibia, so I presume you have more in depth knowledge on the subject?

I've heard of sports people playing with broken bones before, such as Tiger Woods winning a major with a broken leg. I wouldn't have found it absolutely impossible that a player could play football with a very minor fracture of any bone (perhaps I'd least likely take the risk if it was the femur). If it is deemed very stable, and can be monitored after every game, then if the only real symptom is pain, then it is down to the player and pain management to determine whether the player can play.

 

[Orikoru]

It's a whopping loophole. It might get closed soon so clubs need to get it done quickly before it is.

How ridiculous football has become. "Quickly, everyone, sell your women's team to yourself before they change the rules again!" Truly jumped the shark.

 

[irip]

How ridiculous football has become. "Quickly, everyone, sell your women's team to yourself before they change the rules again!" Truly jumped the shark.

I don’t think you can blame the clubs for finding loopholes though.
It is down to the FA who have put the rules in place to make sure it is a fair and balanced system which it definitely isn’t.
Once they shut one loophole the clubs will just explore which one to abuse next.
I can see clubs selling its own furniture to themselves soon

 

[Lord Tyrion]

How ridiculous football has become. "Quickly, everyone, sell your women's team to yourself before they change the rules again!" Truly jumped the shark.

Yup. Whoever drafted the rules at the PL was clearly not up to it. Arrogance at play. They really need to revisit and reset the rules, closing all possible loopholes, or scrap them

 

[Orikoru]

I don’t think you can blame the clubs for finding loopholes though.
It is down to the FA who have put the rules in place to make sure it is a fair and balanced system which it definitely isn’t.
Once they shut one loophole the clubs will just explore which one to abuse next.
I can see clubs selling its own furniture to themselves soon

I'm not blaming the clubs at all! I'm blaming the league and their idiotic rules to try and keep the rich rich and everyone else in their place.

Yup. Whoever drafted the rules at the PL was clearly not up to it. Arrogance at play. They really need to revisit and reset the rules, closing all possible loopholes, or scrap them

100%. It's like they've been drawn up by a couple of failed yuppies who were kicked off Dragon's Den.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I'm not blaming the clubs at all! I'm blaming the league and their idiotic rules to try and keep the rich rich and everyone else in their place.


100%. It's like they've been drawn up by a couple of failed yuppies who were kicked off Dragon's Den.

My sister is a lecturer in law and she often gets sent home made wills, internally produced legal documents from one man businesses etc to check over. 75% of the time she will point out the holes in them. She can see what was intended but in legal speak, there are gaps there to be exploited. Mad to say it, with the money available to the PL, but that sounds like the case here. It's amateur hour.

 

[Aztecs27]

News from Italy is he's rejected Napoli and chosen Forest.

Yea, as Don said, we've had the Here We Go, but Fab's a shell of his former self, so I'll wait for Ornstein or the club to confirm.

Great signing (on paper) if so. Club clearly thinks a lot of him, as we've been after him for a while - and they've been pretty spot on with their recruitment in the Italian league the last few years (Milenkovic for £12m last year being the stand out).

Hopefully now the Gibbs-White saga is concluded, they can concentrate on bringing in reinforcements for him and the rest of the team.

 

[Aztecs27]

Good on Everton for doing this.

If the likes of Chelsea are going to pull this kind of crap and get away with it, I’m all for anyone and everyone else doing it as well.

Hopefully Forest sell the Netball team for £1billion.

 

[Don Barzini]

Hopefully Forest sell the Netball team for £1billion.

Would love with all my heart for this to happen!

As we know from recent events, when Forest/Marinakis do anything that other clubs have also done in the past, it’s viewed as many times worse! The absolute head loss it would generate would be beautiful to behold!

 

[Pin-seeker]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1949858007245897892

Remember the uproar over Trent,who turned up for training & didn’t force a move whilst still under contract.

But apparently he was a

 

[AmandaJR]

Sitting here blubbing like a baby, watching the scenes from The Mall. As a kid I was literally football crazy - my Dad used to sing that song to me. Played from dawn to dusk with the two boys next door. Or until our cheap ball from the garage burst. Imagine if I could have played for a girl's team. Could have dreamt of playing for a living. Playing for my country. This England team are literally changing girls lives and leaving a true legacy.

I also finished a marathon on a broken tibia. It's likely I started with a stress fracture which progressed through the race. Adrenaline just about kept me going although finished in tears. Couldn't walk after that. MRI a few days later showed full fracture with separation and serious bone edema. Pretty much finished me as a competitive runner. So I imagine Lucy has a stress fracture. She's lucky it hasn't progressed to something more serious and ended her career. She may well have been prepared to take that risk - given her age and the joy this win has brought.

Anyway - where's the tissues

 

[Swinglowandslow]

In summary, you are saying that she is lying? Or that she had a sore leg, and she just assumed it was a fracture but was wrong? Are you saying it is impossible to play several games with any sort of minor break of the tibia?

It is just that the medical experts in the BBC article didn't seem to confidently tell us that she definitely couldn't have had a fracture of the tibia, so I presume you have more in depth knowledge on the subject?

I've heard of sports people playing with broken bones before, such as Tiger Woods winning a major with a broken leg. I wouldn't have found it absolutely impossible that a player could play football with a very minor fracture of any bone (perhaps I'd least likely take the risk if it was the femur). If it is deemed very stable, and can be monitored after every game, then if the only real symptom is pain, then it is down to the player and pain management to determine whether the player can play.

What! No, of course I’d not saying she is lying. Nor, your second sentence either, come on, what does” she had a sore leg and just assumed it was a fracture “ mean?
Who would do that, assume that a sore leg was a fracture of the tibia?

The report of this situation said starkly that a football game had been played by someone with a fracture of the tibia. I’m saying that that report is too dramatic, too curt. That the reality was something other than a major bone of the lower leg, tibia, being a broken in two fracture, ( or a mistake meaning to have referred to the minor bone, the fibula, where I believe it has been known for sportspeople to have played on with a fracture of that bone).
Of course, people have played on with hairline fractures of bones, but no one has
played on with a major bone broken into two. Which that stark report could have conveyed to some people.
My comments were questioning the report’s starkness, not the integrity of the girl.

As to your later comments re stability of a fracture and monitoring and managing such throughout playing football games, I’m afraid my medical knowledge is not enough to disagree with a qualified medical practitioner, but my view is that it isn’t what I think would happen!
Do you really think a “fractured” bone, in any definition, is not a weakened bone, and is safely able to withstand football match challenges?

 

[Swango1980]

What! No, of course I’d not saying she is lying. Nor, your second sentence either, come on, what does” she had a sore leg and just assumed it was a fracture “ mean?
Who would do that, assume that a sore leg was a fracture of the tibia?

The report of this situation said starkly that a football game had been played by someone with a fracture of the tibia. I’m saying that that report is too dramatic, too curt. That the reality was something other than a major bone of the lower leg, tibia, being a broken in two fracture, ( or a mistake meaning to have referred to the minor bone, the fibula, where I believe it has been known for sportspeople to have played on with a fracture of that bone).
Of course, people have played on with hairline fractures of bones, but no one has
played on with a major bone broken into two. Which that stark report could have conveyed to some people.
My comments were questioning the report’s starkness, not the integrity of the girl.

As to your later comments re stability of a fracture and monitoring and managing such throughout playing football games, I’m afraid my medical knowledge is not enough to disagree with a qualified medical practitioner, but my view is that it isn’t what I think would happen!
Do you really think a “fractured” bone, in any definition, is not a weakened bone, and is safely able to withstand football match challenges?

But Lucy Bronze specifically said tibia. So, it wasn't really the media making a mountain out of it, they are simply reporting what the player herself said. So, she must surely be either lying or mistaken?

Pretty much any injury is going to make your body weaker and more vulnerable. Whether it be to a muscle or bone. But, from what Bronze has said, and not ruled out my the few medical people I have heard that have commented, it is not impossible to play on with some sort of fracture to the tibia. If this is the case, I am sure it is only the smallest of small fractures. It is clearly not a significant break that needs immediate surgery or a cast, making her immobile. And presumably they felt that her muscles and joints around the tibia were strong enough to support the load needed for football, and that the risk for it becoming a major break was very very low.

I'm not in any way qualified in physiotherapy or a bone expert. So, I'm only assuming that Bronze was correct in her assessment. And it doesn't seem unusual for sports people to play through all sorts of crazy injuries. It's risky, and they need to deal with the pain. But, in Lucy Bronze's case, international football seems to be the biggest stage by far for women in football, much more so than the men's game, where club football has often taken centre stage. At 33, I can see why she may be willing to taken even bigger risks to play for England than a 20 year old might be willing to do, especially as she has experienced the highs of representing England to success previously.
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