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The Footie Thread

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Billysboots said:
Contract negotiations drag on for months. If, during these convoluted discussions, De Gea’s performances were such that it became clear to the manager that the player was no longer part of his plans, withdrawing the offer and not making him a new one, or offering him one on significantly reduced terms, would seem the right thing for the club to do from a business perspective.

I have absolutely no doubt the full and accurate account will not be in the public domain. Of course, the one which shows the club in a poor light will be plastered all over the back pages.
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And equally, if De Gea had played a blinder Utd would have chased him and, potentially, offered more. It’s a non-story that’s been overhyped to sell column space.
 
Neilds said:
For those Forest fans on here, what is Cafu like as a player? Rotherham have just signed him and the only thing I know about him is he is a defensive midfielder. He looks experienced so should be a good addition but wonder what people who have seen him play think
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Beezerk said:
From a mate who is a Forest fan…

Hes ok, good enough for them, works without any good end product.

So not really sure then 🤣
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He'll do a job for you, no doubt. Never really let us down. Won't score many goals (although he's got a couple of worldies in him).

Proper team lad too, so will be good for the dressing room all round. Even when he wasn't getting many minutes for us, he was fully behind the team, never sulked etc.

Think he'll surprise a few if he's given some decent minutes. From what I gather, the move was supposed to happen in January but they couldn't get it over the line in time.

In other news, if United could hurry the chuff up with Onana so we can complete signing Deano on a permanent contract, that would be lovely.
 
It is well known that Man Utd don't just need to buy players, they need to get rid of some as well. Especially to help balance the books, and something Utd have not been great with. Probably to do with the huge salaries they pay some of their players, and the fact other clubs will not come close to matching them and thus players happy to stay at Utd as a squad player, rather than go to another club and be a first team regular. Some players you'd think could potentially be sold, and their apparent salaries (from sportrac website)

Jadon Sancho (£350,000 pw)
Anthony Martial (£250,000 pw)
Harry Maguire (£189,904 pw)
Fred (£120,000 pw)
de Beek (£120,000 pw)
McTomminay (£60,000 pw)
Elanga (£5,000 pw)

Looking at some mid table type teams, top players are generally between £100,000-£200,000 pw, and most players between £50,000-£100,000 pw (randomly looked at Spurs, West Ham, Villa and Newcastle).

Therefore, perhaps Utd should be able to sell McTomminay and Elanga fairly easy (if they wanted to), and I'm sure there would be clubs that could offer them an attractive salary compared to their current one. However, can't see anyone willing to get close to offering Sancho, Martial, Maguire, Fred or de Beek anything near their current salary. Not unless the Saudi Arabians are interested. So, unless Utd offer them the difference between current salary and what another club offer them, then I can see them staying put.
 
Swango1980 said:
It is well known that Man Utd don't just need to buy players, they need to get rid of some as well. Especially to help balance the books, and something Utd have not been great with. Probably to do with the huge salaries they pay some of their players, and the fact other clubs will not come close to matching them and thus players happy to stay at Utd as a squad player, rather than go to another club and be a first team regular. Some players you'd think could potentially be sold, and their apparent salaries (from sportrac website)

Jadon Sancho (£350,000 pw)
Anthony Martial (£250,000 pw)
Harry Maguire (£189,904 pw)
Fred (£120,000 pw)
de Beek (£120,000 pw)
McTomminay (£60,000 pw)
Elanga (£5,000 pw)

Looking at some mid table type teams, top players are generally between £100,000-£200,000 pw, and most players between £50,000-£100,000 pw (randomly looked at Spurs, West Ham, Villa and Newcastle).

Therefore, perhaps Utd should be able to sell McTomminay and Elanga fairly easy (if they wanted to), and I'm sure there would be clubs that could offer them an attractive salary compared to their current one. However, can't see anyone willing to get close to offering Sancho, Martial, Maguire, Fred or de Beek anything near their current salary. Not unless the Saudi Arabians are interested. So, unless Utd offer them the difference between current salary and what another club offer them, then I can see them staying put.
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What stands out there is Sancho. What the hell.
 
Swango1980 said:
It is well known that Man Utd don't just need to buy players, they need to get rid of some as well. Especially to help balance the books, and something Utd have not been great with. Probably to do with the huge salaries they pay some of their players, and the fact other clubs will not come close to matching them and thus players happy to stay at Utd as a squad player, rather than go to another club and be a first team regular. Some players you'd think could potentially be sold, and their apparent salaries (from sportrac website)

Jadon Sancho (£350,000 pw)
Anthony Martial (£250,000 pw)
Harry Maguire (£189,904 pw)
Fred (£120,000 pw)
de Beek (£120,000 pw)
McTomminay (£60,000 pw)
Elanga (£5,000 pw)

Looking at some mid table type teams, top players are generally between £100,000-£200,000 pw, and most players between £50,000-£100,000 pw (randomly looked at Spurs, West Ham, Villa and Newcastle).

Therefore, perhaps Utd should be able to sell McTomminay and Elanga fairly easy (if they wanted to), and I'm sure there would be clubs that could offer them an attractive salary compared to their current one. However, can't see anyone willing to get close to offering Sancho, Martial, Maguire, Fred or de Beek anything near their current salary. Not unless the Saudi Arabians are interested. So, unless Utd offer them the difference between current salary and what another club offer them, then I can see them staying put.
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Henderson is on £100k per week I believe. So we’ll be helping you out there if you ever actually buy Onana.
 
Swango1980 said:
It is well known that Man Utd don't just need to buy players, they need to get rid of some as well. Especially to help balance the books, and something Utd have not been great with. Probably to do with the huge salaries they pay some of their players, and the fact other clubs will not come close to matching them and thus players happy to stay at Utd as a squad player, rather than go to another club and be a first team regular. Some players you'd think could potentially be sold, and their apparent salaries (from sportrac website)

Jadon Sancho (£350,000 pw)
Anthony Martial (£250,000 pw)
Harry Maguire (£189,904 pw)
Fred (£120,000 pw)
de Beek (£120,000 pw)
McTomminay (£60,000 pw)
Elanga (£5,000 pw)

Looking at some mid table type teams, top players are generally between £100,000-£200,000 pw, and most players between £50,000-£100,000 pw (randomly looked at Spurs, West Ham, Villa and Newcastle).

Therefore, perhaps Utd should be able to sell McTomminay and Elanga fairly easy (if they wanted to), and I'm sure there would be clubs that could offer them an attractive salary compared to their current one. However, can't see anyone willing to get close to offering Sancho, Martial, Maguire, Fred or de Beek anything near their current salary. Not unless the Saudi Arabians are interested. So, unless Utd offer them the difference between current salary and what another club offer them, then I can see them staying put.
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I suppose it depends if they want to play football or not more than anything.

I'd take Sancho at Villa.. but he wouldn't be getting more than 120k from us per week.
 
Bdill93 said:
I suppose it depends if they want to play football or not more than anything.

I'd take Sancho at Villa.. but he wouldn't be getting more than 120k from us per week.
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I suppose that is the thing. I'm sure they all want to play football.

But, it isn't like an amateur, where it is simply an option between playing football or not playing football. It will be between, in Sancho's case, playing football and earning about £100,000 per week, or not playing football and earning £350,000 per week. His contract expires in 2027, about 4 years away. So, he could stay at Utd, not play football and earn £72.8 million, or go and play elsewhere and earn £20.8 million. So, playing football will cost him £50 million over the next 4 years, unless the clubs can work out a way to cover the difference.

From a professional point of view, I can see why it makes sense for him to stay at Utd. See out his contract, and then get as good a deal he can after his contract expires. Offering him £350,000 a week in the first place seems ridiculous. I believe he was on £100,000 a week at Dortmund, so I'm not sure Utd needed to offer him three and a half times that to entice him?
 
Swango1980 said:
I suppose that is the thing. I'm sure they all want to play football.

But, it isn't like an amateur, where it is simply an option between playing football or not playing football. It will be between, in Sancho's case, playing football and earning about £100,000 per week, or not playing football and earning £350,000 per week. His contract expires in 2027, about 4 years away. So, he could stay at Utd, not play football and earn £72.8 million, or go and play elsewhere and earn £20.8 million. So, playing football will cost him £50 million over the next 4 years, unless the clubs can work out a way to cover the difference.

From a professional point of view, I can see why it makes sense for him to stay at Utd. See out his contract, and then get as good a deal he can after his contract expires. Offering him £350,000 a week in the first place seems ridiculous. I believe he was on £100,000 a week at Dortmund, so I'm not sure Utd needed to offer him three and a half times that to entice him?
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No they didn't/ shouldn't, to be honest - I'm surprised Dortmund paid him that much too! Just goes to prove how much of a mess the leadership at United has been since Fergie (and your old sporting director guy - not Woodward) left tbh.

Ill be honest though - I know what I'd do if I were Sancho and the wage disparity was £50m.... :ROFLMAO:
 
Hope Man Utd fans don’t start whining mid season about the team being tired and not getting enough rest between games after their 16,000 mile pre season - which includes games in US against 2 British teams 😳
 
Neilds said:
Hope Man Utd fans don’t start whining mid season about the team being tired and not getting enough rest between games after their 16,000 mile pre season - which includes games in US against 2 British teams 😳
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Tbf it’s pretty much the same for most of the top teams.
 
Bdill93 said:
No they didn't/ shouldn't, to be honest - I'm surprised Dortmund paid him that much too! Just goes to prove how much of a mess the leadership at United has been since Fergie (and your old sporting director guy - not Woodward) left tbh.

Ill be honest though - I know what I'd do if I were Sancho and the wage disparity was £50m.... :ROFLMAO:
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I keep banging on about this, but Foden was slated for not leaving City at the same time as Sancho went to Dortmund. Foden wanted to learn his trade alongside, Silvas, KDB, Gundoghan etc. and be taught by the best in Pep. I read the other day that Foden now has more trophies than Rooney.
Back to Sancho. There’s no doubt that he head a good career in a good Dortmund team. But his head was turned. Was it by the money who knows, but I would hate to see him become another Sturridge.
Re City, one I will take an interest in this season is James Mcatee. Him and Cole, well it could be breakthrough seasons for them.
 
Pin-seeker said:
Tbf it’s pretty much the same for most of the top teams.
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I was going to point out that Everton have gone to Switzerland for pre season and will then have warm up games back in England, against a mix of teams, but then realised it left me open to mockery under the definition of top team 🤣.

I seem to remember that Arsenal under Wenger used to go to Austria, don't know if that has changed.

It is however entirely possible not to travel the world chasing money. Not every team can be bought 😉
 
Neilds said:
Hope Man Utd fans don’t start whining mid season about the team being tired and not getting enough rest between games after their 16,000 mile pre season - which includes games in US against 2 British teams 😳
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To be fair, I don't think the Man Utd players have to walk to the stadiums they are playing at. I doubt they are even travelling economy class.

Looking at the fixture list, I think they have over a week between their last friendly and first game of the season. Pre-season friendlies are also not played with the same intensity. In last nights match, every player was subbed at half time. It is simply about getting the legs going again, building a bit of base fitness and working on tactics.

Besides, travelling abroad for friendlies is probably a good thing for team building as players spend a lot more time together off the football pitch.
 
Swango1980 said:
It is well known that Man Utd don't just need to buy players, they need to get rid of some as well. Especially to help balance the books, and something Utd have not been great with. Probably to do with the huge salaries they pay some of their players, and the fact other clubs will not come close to matching them and thus players happy to stay at Utd as a squad player, rather than go to another club and be a first team regular. Some players you'd think could potentially be sold, and their apparent salaries (from sportrac website)

Jadon Sancho (£350,000 pw)
Anthony Martial (£250,000 pw)
Harry Maguire (£189,904 pw)
Fred (£120,000 pw)
de Beek (£120,000 pw)
McTomminay (£60,000 pw)
Elanga (£5,000 pw)

Looking at some mid table type teams, top players are generally between £100,000-£200,000 pw, and most players between £50,000-£100,000 pw (randomly looked at Spurs, West Ham, Villa and Newcastle).

Therefore, perhaps Utd should be able to sell McTomminay and Elanga fairly easy (if they wanted to), and I'm sure there would be clubs that could offer them an attractive salary compared to their current one. However, can't see anyone willing to get close to offering Sancho, Martial, Maguire, Fred or de Beek anything near their current salary. Not unless the Saudi Arabians are interested. So, unless Utd offer them the difference between current salary and what another club offer them, then I can see them staying put.
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Everton must have read my post above, I see they've put in a bid for Elanga
 
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