The Footie Thread

[Bunkermagnet]

Sorry Bunker, but I don't see how 'being used to VAR' is relevant.
Teams don't play different because they are/aren't used to it, do they?

Example then, Gills Leicester yesterday. No VAR as Gills can't even afford flushing urinals let alone VAR, and Leicester player goes down in the box with nothing touching him. He knows its the ref only who makes the call. The dive was embarrassing, but the ref got it right...fortunately for the game. But can you know the young Leicester player wasn't thinking no VAR, 50/50 call by the ref?

 

[fundy]

Example then, Gills Leicester yesterday. No VAR as Gills can't even afford flushing urinals let alone VAR, and Leicester player goes down in the box with nothing touching him. He knows its the ref only who makes the call. The dive was embarrassing, but the ref got it right...fortunately for the game. But can you know the young Leicester player wasn't thinking no VAR, 50/50 call by the ref?

and hows that different to the other end and a young Gills player, who might be thinking no VAR, 50/50 call by the ref?

 

[Bunkermagnet]

and hows that different to the other end and a young Gills player, who might be thinking no VAR, 50/50 call by the ref?

Unlikely as playing now in League 2, Priestfield has no VAR.
When I've watched lower league teams going to Premiership teams. it's obvious they forget that the VAR is at those grounds by the way they react and play to events and outcomes unfolding.

 

[clubchamp98]

Then surely the same applies - it’s a game changing cock-up which is allowed to stand because of the absence of VAR.

There shouldn’t be the possibility of game changing mistakes being missed in one FA Cup tie, but being rectified in another game, simply because of where those two games are being played.

We all seem to be of the view that the standard of refereeing is pretty average. If there is a reliance on VAR to support officials in making correct decisions, then regardless of the fact that VAR itself is also a bit of a mess, that mess should at least be available across the board in a competition.

Yes I agree.
Take the Salah goal yesterday .
No VAR it’s offside and no goal because without VAR the linesman would raise his flag straight away.

 

[fundy]

Unlikely as playing now in League 2, Priestfield has no VAR.
When I've watched lower league teams going to Premiership teams. it's obvious they forget that the VAR is at those grounds by the way they react and play to events and outcomes unfolding.

so youre implying that players who play in leagues that dont have VAR dont dive to try and get penalties????

 

[Bunkermagnet]

so youre implying that players who play in leagues that dont have VAR dont dive to try and get penalties????

No, I'm not saying that as well you know.

 

[fundy]

No, I'm not saying that as well you know.

then what are you saying and how is it any different if both ends are being reffed the same?

 

[Swango1980]

Yes I agree.
Take the Salah goal yesterday .
No VAR it’s offside and no goal because without VAR the linesman would raise his flag straight away.

Not sure you are correct there. In yesterdays game, the linesman didn't flag anyway, did he not? Yes, they are asked to delay raising the flag due to VAR, but they WILL ultimately raise it eventually if they think it is offside.

So, if there was no VAR yesterday, the linesman would still not have raised their flag.

The issue with Salah's goal wasn't VAR or the linesman. It was the stupid rule and how it is supposed to be interpreted.

 

[ColchesterFC]

they have a huge amount of injuries, an unbalanced squad and a manager new in who hasnt had a chance to get his own players in as yet. Sounds familiar to a few other sides recently.....

seems a bit early to judge Potter and where theyre headed to me (especially as theyre rumoured to be buying half of europe this transfer window lol)

Missing Mendy, Fofana, Chilwell, James, Kante, Broja, Loftus Cheek, Sterling, Pulisic at least

It would be interesting to know how much input Potter has had into the signings that Chelsea are making. Are they players that he wants/needs to improve the team or is the new owner playing a real life version of football manager?

 

[fundy]

It would be interesting to know how much input Potter has had into the signings that Chelsea are making. Are they players that he wants/needs to improve the team or is the new owner playing a real life version of football manager?

Agree with this, hard to know from the outside. They also have the same issue that the likes of Arsenal and Man Utd have had recently where getting rid of some of the existing squad is actually more important than the new signings initially

 

[Tashyboy]

Anyone who watched the same fixture midweek would
Not recognise these two teams today.
Suffice to say are Chelsea playing for their manger.

 

[clubchamp98]

Not sure you are correct there. In yesterdays game, the linesman didn't flag anyway, did he not? Yes, they are asked to delay raising the flag due to VAR, but they WILL ultimately raise it eventually if they think it is offside.

So, if there was no VAR yesterday, the linesman would still not have raised their flag.

The issue with Salah's goal wasn't VAR or the linesman. It was the stupid rule and how it is supposed to be interpreted.

I disagree.
If no VAR what’s the point in delaying the flag as there is no replays to watch.
So the flag should go up for the initial offside.
Basically there are two sets of rules now.
One with VAR and one without.

 

[Slime]

Go Stevenage!
Just gone 1-2 up at Villa Park.

 

[Swango1980]

I disagree.
If no VAR what’s the point in delaying the flag as there is no replays to watch.
So the flag should go up for the initial offside.
Basically there are two sets of rules now.
One with VAR and one without.

Yes, but what I am saying is the linesman didn't put his flag up after Salah scored anyway. So, he didn't think it was offside. So, why do you think he would put his flag up if he was allowed to straight away?

And, as we have seen. He was correct. By letter of law, Salah wasn't offside. He should have been, if the offside law was fit and proper. But, it isn't, it is a joke.

 

[Dando]

I think Chelsea need Harry Potter, not graham potter

 

[Tashyboy]

Reading the discussion between folks re VAR.The fact that people interpret it differently tells me it has not made Anything clearer To understand.

 

[Tashyboy]

I think Chelsea need Harry Potter, not graham potter

I was running out of squirrels ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Have you read my post properly.
If the defender dosnt touch the ball he’s offside.
He’s offside as soon as the ball was played
He then becomes not offside because the defender heads it.
Absolute joke.

We all know the rule but are discussing it.
The offside rule has been changed to facilitate VAR so they can play on until it can be checked.
We all know this .
That rule should be put back to what it was.
Just put your flag up if it’s offside.

But that’s not the current rules and how the linesman are asked to officiate the game - just because someone is stood in an offside position doesn’t mean they are offside - if the player missed the ball and it ended up at the feet of Salah then the linesman puts the flag up when the phase of play finishes

The rule won’t go back to what it should be because they have put VAR in place

 

[clubchamp98]

Yes, but what I am saying is the linesman didn't put his flag up after Salah scored anyway. So, he didn't think it was offside. So, why do you think he would put his flag up if he was allowed to straight away?

And, as we have seen. He was correct. By letter of law, Salah wasn't offside. He should have been, if the offside law was fit and properly . But, it isn't, it is a joke.

If he can’t see that’s offside he shouldn’t be doing the job.
He should have put it up to let the ref know he was in an offside position initially and let VAR sort it out after the goal.
That’s how it works I think.

In the lower leagues do they let play run on until the ball is out ??
Genuine question any fans of lower league teams know?

If so it’s a two rules system depending on your level of play.

I agree on it being a joke.

 

[clubchamp98]

But that’s not the current rules and how the linesman are asked to officiate the game - just because someone is stood in an offside position doesn’t mean they are offside - if the player missed the ball and it ended up at the feet of Salah then the linesman puts the flag up when the phase of play finishes

The rule won’t go back to what it should be because they have put VAR in place

Phil put your rule book away.
I am just having a disscusion about it.
I know what the book says but that dosnt mean I have to like it.

I disagree I think they will change this stupid rule back