The Footie Thread

[clubchamp98]

Multi million / billion game and VAR don’t have a view of the whole pitch???
You couldn’t make it up.

Fair result imo nobody deserved to win.
Two bad goals to conceed though.

 

[hairball_89]

Liverpool were lucky there. Took advantage of today's bizarre interpretation of offside (Salah), and potentially Wolves 3rd goal because VAR can't even have a camera showing the full width of pitch.

Thought Wolves were decent.

Absolutely. Presumably it’s the rules for the Salah goal. For me, the defender plays the ball *because* he knows salah is behind him. Salah is in an offside position. Therefore it should be off. Surely? I don’t get it.

And then the wolves non-goal… the excuse given is reasonable. They don’t have the data so go with onfield. Fine. *apart from* in every replay shown the goal looks good. Even through my red specs! I don’t understand why it isn’t a goal. There’s one point where Toti is in an offside position, but the ball is played backwards before it gets to him.

The most worrying thing? This was pretty much the best side Jurgen could have put out tonight. And by god we were awful. Slow, predictable, boring. Something needs to happen. I have no idea what. But it feels like Klopp doesn’t either. And that’s quite an issue!

 

[clubchamp98]

I can only imagine it was the guy that took the corner, everyone else looked fine.

Yes it was but the problem is the linesman keeps his flag down until the goal goes in.
Another stupid rule.

 

[clubchamp98]

Absolutely. Presumably it’s the rules for the Salah goal. For me, the defender plays the ball *because* he knows salah is behind him. Salah is in an offside position. Therefore it should be off. Surely? I don’t get it.

And then the wolves non-goal… the excuse given is reasonable. They don’t have the data so go with onfield. Fine. *apart from* in every replay shown the goal looks good. Even through my red specs! I don’t understand why it isn’t a goal. There’s one point where Toti is in an offside position, but the ball is played backwards before it gets to him.

The most worrying thing? This was pretty much the best side Jurgen could have put out tonight. And by god we were awful. Slow, predictable, boring. Something needs to happen. I have no idea what. But it feels like Klopp doesn’t either. And that’s quite an issue!

Agree.
But in most offside decisions your offside when the ball is played forward.
Every still of offside is when the ball is kicked.
Who thought it would be good to change that ??

No defender can afford to not try and play the ball , that’s his job!
It’s a very poor rule and not the only one.

 

[Bazz]

Thought we were superb considering we'd made a few changes.

No point getting worked up about refs, rather concentrate on what was a good performance against a strong Liverpool team, this new gaffer is the real deal.

 

[Tashyboy]

Having seen the highlights on the BBC site. I can only come to the conclusion that VAR has had one of its worst days.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Absolutely. Presumably it’s the rules for the Salah goal. For me, the defender plays the ball *because* he knows salah is behind him. Salah is in an offside position. Therefore it should be off. Surely? I don’t get it.

And then the wolves non-goal… the excuse given is reasonable. They don’t have the data so go with onfield. Fine. *apart from* in every replay shown the goal looks good. Even through my red specs! I don’t understand why it isn’t a goal. There’s one point where Toti is in an offside position, but the ball is played backwards before it gets to him.

The most worrying thing? This was pretty much the best side Jurgen could have put out tonight. And by god we were awful. Slow, predictable, boring. Something needs to happen. I have no idea what. But it feels like Klopp doesn’t either. And that’s quite an issue!

That’s the extract from the offside rule - if the defender had left it then he would be offside

 

[Beezerk]

Over to Beezerk me finks ?. Will he be safe oop north ?

Howay the Toon
That is all ?

 

[Pin-seeker]

LivARpool definitely got the rub of the green today.
Anyone seen Big Stu La?
Be nice if he was as quiet during international tournaments as he is when the wheels fall off the Klopp express ??

 

[hairball_89]

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That’s the extract from the offside rule - if the defender had left it then he would be offside

Oh, as per the rules, yes he’s onside. But personally I disagree. He’s benefited from being in an illegal position. I get why it’s been given, I just disagree with it.

 

[Tashyboy]

Personally I think VAR is rammel. But re the FA cup it’s took to a whole new level of rammel.
in the Sheff weds game, there’s no VAR because it’s not a Prem ground.
But in the Liverpool game there is, but it’s use was limited. Furthermore and I quote.

In the Premier League, an explanation such as "Nunes offside" would be displayed on the screen in the ground, but the Football Association, which runs the FA Cup, follows Uefa and Fifa guidance and does not do this, which caused confusion in the crowd and among pundits.

So we have different ways of using VAR. The prem league and the FA cannot even agree on how it should be used in the same country.

Furthermore and I quote,
This is the utter farce of VAR. we’re at the game and we have no idea who was offside. It could be Lord Lucan for all we know.

As I have mentioned umpteen times. Match going fans do not know what VAR is looking for when making a decision, be it offside handball etc etc. when watching the FA CUP games you do not know anything period.

VAR has been around long enough now for problems to be ironed out..

I stand by my opening comment.

VAR is rammel, along with the people running it.

 

[Billysboots]

Personally I think VAR is rammel. But re the FA cup it’s took to a whole new level of rammel.
in the Sheff weds game, there’s no VAR because it’s not a Prem ground.
But in the Liverpool game there is, but it’s use was limited. Furthermore and I quote.

In the Premier League, an explanation such as "Nunes offside" would be displayed on the screen in the ground, but the Football Association, which runs the FA Cup, follows Uefa and Fifa guidance and does not do this, which caused confusion in the crowd and among pundits.

So we have different ways of using VAR. The prem league and the FA cannot even agree on how it should be used in the same country.

Furthermore and I quote,
This is the utter farce of VAR. we’re at the game and we have no idea who was offside. It could be Lord Lucan for all we know.

As I have mentioned umpteen times. Match going fans do not know what VAR is looking for when making a decision, be it offside handball etc etc. when watching the FA CUP games you do not know anything period.

VAR has been around long enough now for problems to be ironed out..

I stand by my opening comment.

VAR is rammel, along with the people running it.

It shouldn’t be used in any cup competition where the technology isn’t available at every ground. End of.

 

[nickjdavis]

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That’s the extract from the offside rule - if the defender had left it then he would be offside

So does stretching out a leg in an attempt to prevent the ball reaching the attacker not fall under the "deliberate save" criteria?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Oh, as per the rules, yes he’s onside. But personally I disagree. He’s benefited from being in an illegal position. I get why it’s been given, I just disagree with it.

I agree it’s a very strange ruling and I have no idea why they changed it - it’s also something we have been caught out by as well

https://twitter.com/x/status/1612029255063597057

 

[clubchamp98]

So does stretching out a leg in an attempt to prevent the ball reaching the attacker not fall under the "deliberate save" criteria?

Might be the same as trying to foul someone but missing , is it a foul. .?
The rule is really poor as most PL defenders will play the ball if they can.
Can you imagine the managers office Monday morning if they just let the ball go.?

Your offside as soon as your teammate plays the ball, and if you force the defender to play the ball definitely interfering with play. Imo.
But the rules are crap.

 

[Billysboots]

But the rules are crap.

And the truly sad thing, certainly when considering the handball and offside rules, is that virtually every fan and pundit think they are utter garbage. And many players too.

The only ones who don’t seem to be able to see it are those who make the rules.

 

[clubchamp98]

The Salah goal for me is not really about the defender trying but failing to clear the ball.!
It’s more about the linesman.
In the past the flag would have gone up straight away as he IS offside.
So immaterial what the defender does.
Same as wolves “winner” !
Seems to me the rules they have “improved “ are the ones they have cocked up most.
Just put the flag up.
This is a direct consequence of VAR

 

[clubchamp98]

And the truly sad thing, certainly when considering the handball and offside rules, is that virtually every fan and pundit think they are utter garbage. And many players too.

The only ones who don’t seem to be able to see it are those who make the rules.

Very similar to the Drop on the fairway rule when oob!
But at least the Golf Gods listened to players.
But for how long?
This will be revisited in future.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The Salah goal for me is not really about the defender trying but failing to clear the ball.!
It’s more about the linesman.
In the past the flag would have gone up straight away as he IS offside.
So immaterial what the defender does.
Same as wolves “winner” !
Seems to me the rules they have “improved “ are the ones they have cocked up most.
Just put the flag up.
This is a direct consequence of VAR

But Salah by the rules is not offside so why would he put the flag up ?

What the linesman did was right , allow the play to continue and then check after

 

[clubchamp98]

But Salah by the rules is not offside so why would he put the flag up ?

What the linesman did was right , allow the play to continue and then check after

Have you read my post properly.
If the defender dosnt touch the ball he’s offside.
He’s offside as soon as the ball was played
He then becomes not offside because the defender heads it.
Absolute joke.

We all know the rule but are discussing it.
The offside rule has been changed to facilitate VAR so they can play on until it can be checked.
We all know this .
That rule should be put back to what it was.
Just put your flag up if it’s offside.