The Footie Thread

[Deleted member 21784]

Had offers from MLS in USA and Saudi, expect hes confident those offers will still be around next year

Perhaps, the rumour mill is he wanted to come back to London but his family didn't want him to ..fair enough.

One thing lingard isn't short of is confidence that's for sure lol

One to look out for in fantasy footy

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Perhaps, the rumour mill is he wanted to come back to London but his family didn't want him to ..fair enough.

One thing lingard isn't short of is confidence that's for sure lol

One to look out for in fantasy footy

That makes up for his lack of ability.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

180k a week for Lingard. Omg!

It makes the £150k per week we gave to Milner when Rodgers was there sound reasonable!!

 

[Billysboots]

Less risk I guess with one year deal but I'm very surprised he has signed only a 1 year deal rather a multi year deal with a relegation release Clause (not that I think they will go down)

Just at his age you would think you want a long a deal as possible

If the rumours which have plagued him at United are true, then he may only have been offered a year. It might also explain why he has ended up where he has.

Lingard is a hugely talented player, so there must be other reasons that successive managers have repeatedly left him out of match day squads. The suggestion, as I have mentioned here before, is that he was a major disruptive influence.

 

[hairball_89]

If the rumours which have plagued him at United are true, then he may only have been offered a year. It might also explain why he has ended up where he has.

Lingard is a hugely talented player,...

Is he?! I thought he was one of the better youth prospects coming through and then never developed or pushed on and "settled" with the talent of a mid table midfielder but stayed at United on a stupid contract that nobody else would compete with.

 

[Billysboots]

Is he?! I thought he was one of the better youth prospects coming through and then never developed or pushed on and "settled" with the talent of a mid table midfielder but stayed at United on a stupid contract that nobody else would compete with.

He’s a hugely talented player who didn’t look out of place in an England shirt. He’s wasted his talent.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

He’s a hugely talented player who didn’t look out of place in an England shirt. He’s wasted his talent.

Talent will only take you so far, I find it’s an attitude problem with most of these players.

 

[Aztecs27]

He's basically been given a "prove it" contract. He's put himself in the shop window and we've facilitated it. The wage (I believe) is less than £180k. but with performance related bonuses up to £180k-£200k a week. His kid lives in the midlands too, which may have been why he ended up leaning towards Forest over West Ham.

Is it a lot of money? Yes. Do I think it's worth it? Yes. Not only does he bring a wealth of experience (Premier League, Champions League, Europa League, international), that he can pass on to the likes of Brennan Johnson - he also brings along brand new exposure for the club as, whether you like him or not, he's a marquee player (look at how everyone is talking about this signing). Before the window even opened our owner stated he wasn't just "playing to not get relegated" - he wants to create a new legacy at Forest and fair play to him he's kept to his word, he's opened up his cheque book and given Steve Cooper and Dane Murphy the money to do it. The signing is a statement of intent and I don't believe we're done yet either.

Is he?! I thought he was one of the better youth prospects coming through and then never developed or pushed on and "settled" with the talent of a mid table midfielder but stayed at United on a stupid contract that nobody else would compete with.

Talent will only take you so far, I find it’s an attitude problem with most of these players.

He's not a world beater but double digits caps for England and was absolutely on fire when loaned out to West Ham (9 goals in 16 games). There's definitely a player in there who can make a difference to our squad this season.

One of Steve Cooper's strengths is his man management and locker room cohesion. Half our squad last season were loanees and they all gave everything for the badge like they were under long term contract with the club - that's the Steve Cooper effect. The fact he's on triple the salary of any of the other players is perhaps a worry, but they would have thought about that and the signing isn't something they would have walked into lightly.

If anyone can manage someone like Lingard, integrate him with the squad and keep the squad working as one, I believe it's Steve Cooper. Ask Neil Warnock about DJed Spence's attitude at the start of last season. He was lazy, had a massive attitude problem and was 3rd or 4th RWB choice at Boro. He was loaned out to us and had a breakout season - and whenever he was talked about, Steve Cooper mentioned how good his attitude was and how hard he worked.

Makes me laugh when people shout "you've done a Fulham and replaced too much of the squad and panic bought. Your squad won't gel"....we didn't have a choice - half our starting XI were loans last season - we HAD to replace them, we had no choice.. The signings we've made have been savvy and well thought out as far as I can see as well.

Time will tell as to whether this will work out - but I'm cautiously optimistic about our chances of staying up.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I think he is a great signing for Forest. It's a 1 year deal so no real risk. He is proven PL quality, will get goals, create, make space for others. If they can get the tune out of him that West Ham did then it will help them massively. It will surely lift the players around him.

I said it in an early post but I think it is worth repeating, forget the weekly, wage, look at the whole spend on him. It's about right for someone at his level.

 

[Swango1980]

He's basically been given a "prove it" contract. He's put himself in the shop window and we've facilitated it. The wage (I believe) is less than £180k. but with performance related bonuses up to £180k-£200k a week. His kid lives in the midlands too, which may have been why he ended up leaning towards Forest over West Ham.

Is it a lot of money? Yes. Do I think it's worth it? Yes. Not only does he bring a wealth of experience (Premier League, Champions League, Europa League, international), that he can pass on to the likes of Brennan Johnson - he also brings along brand new exposure for the club as, whether you like him or not, he's a marquee player (look at how everyone is talking about this signing). Before the window even opened our owner stated he wasn't just "playing to not get relegated" - he wants to create a new legacy at Forest and fair play to him he's kept to his word, he's opened up his cheque book and given Steve Cooper and Dane Murphy the money to do it. The signing is a statement of intent and I don't believe we're done yet either.





He's not a world beater but double digits caps for England and was absolutely on fire when loaned out to West Ham (9 goals in 16 games). There's definitely a player in there who can make a difference to our squad this season.

One of Steve Cooper's strengths is his man management and locker room cohesion. Half our squad last season were loanees and they all gave everything for the badge like they were under long term contract with the club - that's the Steve Cooper effect. The fact he's on triple the salary of any of the other players is perhaps a worry, but they would have thought about that and the signing isn't something they would have walked into lightly.

If anyone can manage someone like Lingard, integrate him with the squad and keep the squad working as one, I believe it's Steve Cooper. Ask Neil Warnock about DJed Spence's attitude at the start of last season. He was lazy, had a massive attitude problem and was 3rd or 4th RWB choice at Boro. He was loaned out to us and had a breakout season - and whenever he was talked about, Steve Cooper mentioned how good his attitude was and how hard he worked.

Makes me laugh when people shout "you've done a Fulham and replaced too much of the squad and panic bought. Your squad won't gel"....we didn't have a choice - half our starting XI were loans last season - we HAD to replace them, we had no choice.. The signings we've made have been savvy and well thought out as far as I can see as well.

Time will tell as to whether this will work out - but I'm cautiously optimistic about our chances of staying up.

I think some players are better as a big fish in a small pond, and they don't do so well when they are a small fish in a big pond. I know Utd have been terrible, but Lingard was in a big pond in terms of fans expectations and the global exposure he was under. He was never seen as a top player at Utd. Even with Utd as bad as they were, there were always many players considered bigger and better at Utd, with Lingard a squad player. Despite the odd great performance, he never managed to sustain anything to push himself into a key player. Mentally, I think he could have well struggled with that.

However, when he went to West Ham, where expectations and criticsm for poor performances were less, he got as new lease of life. Suddenly, he felt a hugely important figure within that team, and he looked to thrive on that. Came out of his shell, and was able to show the quality he had.

So, he will be an interesting watch next season. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a very good season indeed. Might be worth a place on my fantasy football team.

 

[Aztecs27]

I think he is a great signing for Forest. It's a 1 year deal so no real risk. He is proven PL quality, will get goals, create, make space for others. If they can get the tune out of him that West Ham did then it will help them massively. It will surely lift the players around him.

I said it in an early post but I think it is worth repeating, forget the weekly, wage, look at the whole spend on him. It's about right for someone at his level.

Exactly this. Zero risk to the club other than his wage, which is really not all that much given that our owner has relatively deep pockets, we got a nice chunk of change for being promoted and we'll get additional revenue from TV money etc this season.... And if West Ham pay for Brererton-Diaz from Blackburn, we'll take our 25% sell on cut and use that to pay his wages for the year. Job done

 

[Fade and Die]

I’m glad Lingard has signed, finally Moyes can take his Jesse posters down and he might start looking elsewhere!

 

[Billysboots]

Talent will only take you so far, I find it’s an attitude problem with most of these players.

Totally agree.

 

[Orikoru]

Lingard will be a good player at Forest's level, but it's unbelievable that he's already 29. The amount of times he's nearly broken through and people still talking about his potential you'd think he was 24.

 

[Aztecs27]

Lingard will be a good player at Forest's level, but it's unbelievable that he's already 29. The amount of times he's nearly broken through and people still talking about his potential you'd think he was 24.

This level you're talking about? Elite level, I assume?

 

[Orikoru]

This level you're talking about? Elite level, I assume?

Relegation scrap level!

 

[Aztecs27]

Relegation scrap level!

Leeds, Bournemouth, Everton and Fulham can fight for relegation.

We'll just finish mid-table instead.

 

[Orikoru]

Leeds, Bournemouth, Everton and Fulham can fight for relegation.

We'll just finish mid-table instead.

Lingard isn't that good!

 

[Aztecs27]

Lingard isn't that good!

Hopefully one or two of our other signings can make a difference. I'd be happy with 17th to be honest!

 

[fundy]

Uh oh!!! Another thread being taken over by a newcomer