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Aztecs27 said:
He's basically been given a "prove it" contract. He's put himself in the shop window and we've facilitated it. The wage (I believe) is less than £180k. but with performance related bonuses up to £180k-£200k a week. His kid lives in the midlands too, which may have been why he ended up leaning towards Forest over West Ham.

Is it a lot of money? Yes. Do I think it's worth it? Yes. Not only does he bring a wealth of experience (Premier League, Champions League, Europa League, international), that he can pass on to the likes of Brennan Johnson - he also brings along brand new exposure for the club as, whether you like him or not, he's a marquee player (look at how everyone is talking about this signing). Before the window even opened our owner stated he wasn't just "playing to not get relegated" - he wants to create a new legacy at Forest and fair play to him he's kept to his word, he's opened up his cheque book and given Steve Cooper and Dane Murphy the money to do it. The signing is a statement of intent and I don't believe we're done yet either.





He's not a world beater but double digits caps for England and was absolutely on fire when loaned out to West Ham (9 goals in 16 games). There's definitely a player in there who can make a difference to our squad this season.

One of Steve Cooper's strengths is his man management and locker room cohesion. Half our squad last season were loanees and they all gave everything for the badge like they were under long term contract with the club - that's the Steve Cooper effect. The fact he's on triple the salary of any of the other players is perhaps a worry, but they would have thought about that and the signing isn't something they would have walked into lightly.

If anyone can manage someone like Lingard, integrate him with the squad and keep the squad working as one, I believe it's Steve Cooper. Ask Neil Warnock about DJed Spence's attitude at the start of last season. He was lazy, had a massive attitude problem and was 3rd or 4th RWB choice at Boro. He was loaned out to us and had a breakout season - and whenever he was talked about, Steve Cooper mentioned how good his attitude was and how hard he worked.

Makes me laugh when people shout "you've done a Fulham and replaced too much of the squad and panic bought. Your squad won't gel"....we didn't have a choice - half our starting XI were loans last season - we HAD to replace them, we had no choice.. The signings we've made have been savvy and well thought out as far as I can see as well.

Time will tell as to whether this will work out - but I'm cautiously optimistic about our chances of staying up.
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And this is what supporting your team is all about.

The hope and optimism going into a new season should be right up for everyone, even Evertonians ??
 
Orikoru said:
Lingard will be a good player at Forest's level, but it's unbelievable that he's already 29. The amount of times he's nearly broken through and people still talking about his potential you'd think he was 24. :LOL:
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The only wonderkid and prospect that's almost 30. His mental age is about 12 judging by his TikToks so I guess it balances out. This is the sort of signing that gets clubs relegated and managers sacked.

Imagine working hard on 5-10k a week and getting Forest promoted then seeing this clown come in on 20 times that, dancing around after you've been pummelled 7-0 by City :ROFLMAO:
 
4LEX said:
The only wonderkid and prospect that's almost 30. His mental age is about 12 judging by his TikToks so I guess it balances out. This is the sort of signing that gets clubs relegated and managers sacked.

Imagine working hard on 5-10k a week and getting Forest promoted then seeing this clown come in on 20 times that, dancing around after you've been pummelled 7-0 by City :ROFLMAO:
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He's a footballer, not a member of the diplomatic corps, so his TikTok antics don't concern me.
Lots of players just need the right club and the right manager to produce their best - hopefully Forest and Cooper are a match for him. Playing a key role rather than a supporting one might be what he needs. I hope so and I'm excited to see what happens.
 
RichA said:
He's a footballer, not a member of the diplomatic corps, so his TikTok antics don't concern me.
Lots of players just need the right club and the right manager to produce their best - hopefully Forest and Cooper are a match for him. Playing a key role rather than a supporting one might be what he needs. I hope so and I'm excited to see what happens.
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Judging by his performances for West Ham whilst on loan, a lesser side may suit his actual ability with the greatest of respect.

That said he’s gone through 5 managers at Yernited, surely they all can’t be wrong?
 
Stuart_C said:
Judging by his performances for West Ham whilst on loan, a lesser side may suit his actual ability with the greatest of respect.

That said he’s gone through 5 managers at Yernited, surely they all can’t be wrong?
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Does that not say more about the 5 managers than any particular Man Utd player though?
 
RichA said:
Does that not say more about the 5 managers than any particular Man Utd player though?
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Not for me.

They all seen enough of him on the training pitch to not get him into a regular spot in a average Yernited side. We're not talking peak successful Yernited teams here.
 
Stuart_C said:
Judging by his performances for West Ham whilst on loan, a lesser side may suit his actual ability with the greatest of respect.

That said he’s gone through 5 managers at Yernited, surely they all can’t be wrong?
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To be fair he was very good for Utd under Mourinho.

He's now a social media star first, footballer second. To unbalance the wage structure so much at a club like Forest is crazy.
 
4LEX said:
To be fair he was very good for Utd under Mourinho.

He's now a social media star first, footballer second. To unbalance the wage structure so much at a club like Forest is crazy.
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Was he?? I dont remember but i'll give way here.

Just had a quick look at the stats and under JM he;

Played 107 games in all comps, 71 from a possible 114 of those were PL games.

He started less than 50 games

Scored 20 goals
Assisted 13 goals.
Averaged 54 minutes in all comps

I appreciate stats dont tell the true story though.

Forest must have a plan so if they go down his wages go accordingly.
 
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Stuart_C said:
Was he?? I dont remember but i'll give way here.

Just had a quick look at the stats and under JM he;

Played 107 games in all comps, 71 from a possible 114 of those were PL games.

He started less than 50 games

Scored 20 goals
Assisted 13 goals.
Averaged 54 minutes in all comps

I appreciate stats dont tell the true story though.

Forest must have a plan so if they go down his wages go accordingly.
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It's a one year deal...

They go down they don't have to pay him full stop
 
Stuart_C said:
Oh right, thats a bit strange....

I never seen the details of the deal, just that he'd signed a £180k a week deal.
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I did find the 1 year odd I would have just thought relegation release Clause but who knows

Disappointed we didn't sign him we got the best of him but then will he ever have a spell like that again? I don't know

Hated him before he came to us.. respected him when he left

Good memories and better than I thought
 
Stuart_C said:
It makes the £150k per week we gave to Milner when Rodgers was there sound reasonable!!
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The same Milner who had won the PL with City and has since at Liverpool, along with a load of other trophys, who is one of the fittest, most dedicated players in the league, who has never courted controversy or the limelight and does not spend most of his time undermining managers or dancing on tik tok.....or Jesse Lingard?

It's a shocking signing imo. He will start well no doubt, but the disruption he will cause in the dressing room will be unmesurable imo.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Is this for Lingard ? There is no way he is only on £80k when West Ham were offering £160k
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£80k is his basic. He can earn a lot more based on performance. There are a number of (reputable) sources directly from the club that have stated this. I believe he got a signing bonus as well (hence only 12 months rather than longer with clauses)

How sure are we that West Ham offered £160k? Or is it just what was reported by MailSport?

It could be that he wasn’t just money chasing after all? Nearer to his family in the North West, closer to his daughter (who Lives in the midlands)…not to mention a club with actual trophies in their cabinet ?

He’s all but guaranteed to start in our midfield, not necessarily the case at West Ham.
 
Swingalot said:
The same Milner who had won the PL with City and has since at Liverpool, along with a load of other trophys, who is one of the fittest, most dedicated players in the league, who has never courted controversy or the limelight and does not spend most of his time undermining managers or dancing on tik tok.....or Jesse Lingard?

It's a shocking signing imo. He will start well no doubt, but the disruption he will cause in the dressing room will be unmesurable imo.
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Interested to know who you would sign, given the fact we had to replace half our starting 11 because of loanees last season. Ideally with premier league experience as the core of the remaining squad is young with next to no experience in the top flight?

“Shocking signing” ??
 
Aztecs27 said:
Interested to know who you would sign, given the fact we had to replace half our starting 11 because of loanees last season. Ideally with premier league experience as the core of the remaining squad is young with next to no experience in the top flight?

“Shocking signing” ??
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I think he will suit you. I didn't like him when he signed for us I thought a man child.. overated

When he left I thought professional.. and decent player

Now by professional I mean he hadn't been playing as much for man u but he had kept himself to a good standard of fitness ..

He slotted into the team and brought us up a level . His passing was exceptional.. not just his goals but he was always willing to receive the ball in any area and would open up the attacks .. take the ball out of defence etc

Tidy player and will suit a newly promoted team as you can build around him

I would have had him back but at same time it's not end of world he didn't come if that makes sense

Got on well with our players and wish him well
 
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