The Footie Thread

[Deleted member 1740]

A genuine attempt to block the ball is not to bottle it and turn your back, if he can’t see Agbonna then he’s not in control.

The Cresswell challenge I thought was red at the time because he was not in control and we’ve seen red cards given for that. Imo, it was early in the game and he was putting a marker down, I thought VAR helped him stay on by showing his foot bounced off the ball.

I'm guessing as he's running to block the ball he sees Ogbonna is gonna get their 1st and has a a split 2nd to make a decision. A) Carry on running and potentially hurt himself and Ogbonna or B) Jump and turn his back to protect himself.

At the speed he was going its impossible to stop.

What did you expect him to do?

Bear in mind the size advantage/difference between Ogbonna and Jota.

If he can't see Ogbonna he shouldn't be on the field and needs an eye test.

To suggest he's bottled it is lame.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Not for me, went to hurt the guy imo.
I find it a bit funny, Athletico play dirty and it’s they’re the worst team in the universe, Liverpool players cheat and get dirty, aaargh no it’s just normal ?

Spot on.
“ale house football” I believe it’s called ?‍?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I'm guessing as he's running to block the ball he sees Ogbonna is gonna get their 1st and has a a split 2nd to make a decision. A) Carry on running and potentially hurt himself and Ogbonna or B) Jump and turn his back to protect himself.

At the speed he was going its impossible to stop.

What did you expect him to do?

Bear in mind the size advantage/difference between Ogbonna and Jota.

If he can't see Ogbonna he shouldn't be on the field and needs an eye test.

To suggest he's bottled it is lame.

It’s not lame at all, it’s a fact, the bit in bold is why he turned his back and why I thought the elbow could of been seen as deliberate, it didn’t only come backwards, it went upwards.

As from what I’d expect him to do? Either raise his foot to block the ball or do something that isn’t turning his back as that could of easily seen himself getting seriously injured.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

It’s not lame at all, it’s a fact, the bit in bold is why he turned his back and why I thought the elbow could of been seen as deliberate, it didn’t only come backwards, it went upwards.

As from what I’d expect him to do? Either raise his foot to block the ball or do something that isn’t turning his back as that could of easily seen himself getting seriously injured.

You really want Jota to " raise his foot"?

I'm sure that wouldn't hurt Ogbonna neither.

????????

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You really want Jota to " raise his foot"?

I'm sure that wouldn't hurt Ogbonna neither.

????????

To block the ball Stu, highlighting part of what I said does you no favours.

 

[fundy]

So glad theyve postponed the premier league for a week so that we can discuss this game for 2 weeks rather than just a few days ?????

 

[Deleted member 1740]

To block the ball Stu, highlighting part of what I said does you no favours.

So you want Jota to raise his foot to block a ball that you've already said he wasn't getting to?

I don't need favours, you're tying yourself in knots very well here.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

So glad theyve postponed the premier league for a week so that we can discuss this game for 2 weeks rather than just a few days ?????

Luckily we've got a home banker straight after the international break?

 

[fundy]

Luckily we've got a home banker straight after the international break?

As easy as it gets

ps watch out for the corners and free kicks

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So you want Jota to raise his foot to block a ball that you've already said he wasn't getting to?

I don't need favours, you're tying yourself in knots very well here.

Not at all, turning his back was dangerous, as proven, to Agbonna and could of been worse for him.

Jota wasn’t getting to the ball first, he bottled it and turned his back. He could of tried to see were Agbonna was going to clear the ball and tried to raise his foot to block the ball on its path.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Just like the Holgate one for Everton he cleared the ball 60yds but followed through and got red.
So getting the ball means nothing now if your out of control off the floor.
You can’t claim you won the ball fairly if you follow through into the op player.
There have been lots of these that ended in red.
That’s the problem inconsistent decisions.

Winning the ball hasn’t been a thing for about 30 years.

 

[Orikoru]

?? He jumped to protect himself! Agbonna was clearing the ball and Jota turned his back, he bottled it as he knew Agbonna was getting there first and would of took him out, as he turned his back his elbow went backwards and upwards.

Did he intentionally mean to hurt him? None of us know, but I genuinely believe if VAR had seen it he’d of walked.

Intent or not it was serious foul play and why does only one elbow go back?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1457640811366010885

That looks deliberate to me. You can't argue he uses the arm to jump/for leverage because he's already jumped, is on the way down and then the elbow goes out. He can only have been trying to catch the defender with it. As you say if they'd have gone to VAR they'd have surely viewed it as reckless at best.

 

[DanFST]

Not for me, went to hurt the guy imo.
I find it a bit funny, Athletico play dirty and it’s they’re the worst team in the universe, Liverpool players cheat and get dirty, aaargh no it’s just normal ?

Agreed, Diving for Souček's yellow on the stroke of half time. Generally being a little knob.

This is for the first goal, against Ogbonna why would your arms ever be like that , strengthening your other wrists, unless you wanted to give somone a dig in the ribs? Unfortunately the dig actually pushed Ogbonna towards the goalie who was so late as he was to busy playing with Iron Mike.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Well at least that may shut them up talking about 1966 for a bit.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well at least that may shut them up talking about 1966 for a bit.

Open top bus parade has been arranged ?

 

[DanFST]

Wont stop this thread being constantly clogged with Scouse delusion and hypocrisy tho will it?

Well at least that may shut them up talking about 1966 for a bit.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

That looks deliberate to me. You can't argue he uses the arm to jump/for leverage because he's already jumped, is on the way down and then the elbow goes out. He can only have been trying to catch the defender with it. As you say if they'd have gone to VAR they'd have surely viewed it as reckless at best.

Don't let a tiny clip cloud your judgement, watch the full thing.

Nobody has said his arm is used for leverage. He's jumped and turned leading with his right side. It's completely natural for his left side to swing as he's turning unless he's expected to jump with his arms strapped to his body.

 

[Fade and Die]

Well at least that may shut them up talking about 1966 for a bit.

We’re just grateful to be able contribute to The Liverpool thread. ?

 

[Liverbirdie]

Everyone talking about the reds again, no matter.

We should just have a Liverpool and united thread, leave all the others in their own thread.

FWIW Wimbledon, sorry West ham fully deserved the win. The first wasnt a foul on Alison, but the Cresswell one was deffo a red. Shin high tackle with excessive speed and force, it doesnt matter if it deflected off the ball, if the ball wouldnt have diverted his leg, it still would have been mid shin or ankle at best on Henderson. Similar to the Pogba one the other week.

 

[Tashyboy]

So let me get this right, Jota is ok to raise his arm, but Ogbonna cannot. Glad we cleared that up.?