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A question for utd fans. Have you changed your style of play this season to accomodate Ronaldo? Are you playing the same as last season and he is simply finishing the moves or are you playing differently to play to his strengths?

This isn't a trick question. I rarely watch utd play so can't make comparisons.
Not really.

When Utd went chasing Sancho, I was a little puzzled. To be fair, I've not seen him a lot as I don't watch German football, but generally his opponents there are maybe not the best? I rarely saw him play well when I did watch him. However, putting my trust is the scouts who do monitor player performances, and assuming he is a great player, I still wondered how Utd would accommodate him. The problem being what do they do with Greenwood. There is no doubt Greenwood has shown some fantastic qualities, especially when he gets a chance to shoot with either foot. However, by bring Sancho in, either that meant less time for Greenwood, or as many expected, Greenwood to become our number 9. That worried me, I've never really seen him be given much of a chance in that position. So, up to now, the coaching staff have not felt it appropriate to rely on him up there. He can strike a ball, but does he have that ability to be in the right place at the right time? I'm unsure. Does he have the ability to get on the end of a cross, dominate in the air against big centre backs and score with his head. I am very sceptical he can. So, I felt if they gave him a chance as a No.9, inevitably they would quickly revert back to Cavani instead as much as possible. The Greenwood experiment could be similar when we got rid of Lukaku and though Rashford or Martial could be the main striker, which did not work out well at all.

So, if we are talking about balance, I'd say it is the signing of Sancho that has created the biggest problem in my opinion. With or without Ronaldo, Ole still wants to play Greenwood as much as possible, which ultimately would have ended up as a right-forward. So him and Sancho would probably always have competed for a spot in the team. I'm desperate for Greenwood to meet his potential, just like Rashford. But, Greenwood seems quite one dimensional, he cuts inside and tries to get a shot away. There is little else to his attacking game at the moment, and he is non-existent when we need to defend. Teams have got used to him, and so are probably just defending better against him this year than last. Rashford didn't have the best of seasons last year anyway, especially the 2nd half. Again, he is quite one dimensional with poor decision making, so the opposition have probably found a way to play against him.

Obviously, in one respect I'm pointing my finger at the players. But, I'm sure a great coach would see this and find ways to improve their games. However, I think their progress has stalled because the coaching at the club is severely limited. Having Ronaldo at the club is huge, he delivers time and time again. But, one of my biggest hopes was that players like Greenwood and Rashford would learn from him. Ronaldo seems to be quite a leader amongst his team mates, and if we cannot rely on the coaches, hopefully Ronaldo can give them some great advice. However, that only goes so far, ultimately it will be the manager players look for the biggest inspiration, as it is ultimately the manager that tells them how to play collectively.
 
On another note, anybody think that Conte shouted more words on the touchline on his debut as Spurs coach last night, than Ole has done in his entire managerial career? Conte must be feeling pretty hoarse today, but it is nice to see a manager on the touchline who at least has conviction in knowing what he wants from the team.
 
I get his role for you - but I think Kane would do a similar job creatively/ dragging defenders away - but also throw another 5-10 goals into the mix too.

Lukaku the same.

These are both £100 million players though :ROFLMAO:

Kane over the last season then yes - he certainly is getting more involved deeper but IMO it’s affected his goal return

Lukaku the same

Bobby doesn’t score as many as others because of that role he plays - the goals he isn’t scoring are being scored by Mane and Mo - if Bobby does play a bit higher then he would score more but then Mane etc would score less. All about balance between the three - it’s why IMO Ronaldo wouldn’t be suited to us.
 
I know we were millimetres from cleaning up that year and it could all have been so much different. A second year for him, we may well have won the lot. We did change our style slightly though to accommodate him so I do back @Liverbirdie point.
We’ll have to agree to disagree, I agree on the principle of not putting all your eggs in one basket, but Lineker was bought on the back of us winning the League, the ECWC and runners-up in the FA Cup, the next step was to try for the European Cup.

The Lineker season we ended up on the same points as we had the season after when we won the League.

Not sure what the slight change of style you remember is, but personally I’d give the credit to LPool who were simply the better team that season and were in the middle of probably their best spell in their history.
 
Kane over the last season then yes - he certainly is getting more involved deeper but IMO it’s affected his goal return

Lukaku the same

Bobby doesn’t score as many as others because of that role he plays - the goals he isn’t scoring are being scored by Mane and Mo - if Bobby does play a bit higher then he would score more but then Mane etc would score less. All about balance between the three - it’s why IMO Ronaldo wouldn’t be suited to us.
But, what would it matter if it was about "balance"

Last season Salah got 22, Mane 11 and Firmino 9 in the Premier League. That is a total of 42 goals. So, if Ronaldo played instead of Firmino, what would it matter if Ronaldo go 20, Salah 15 and Mane 7? It is still 42 goals for the team.

However, in reality, I could see Ronaldo getting at least 30 in Liverpools team. Even if that means Salah and Mane got a little less, say 18 and 7 goals, that is still 55 goals, 13 more than last season. And, in actual fact, would Ronaldo not put more fear into opposition defences, and along with being a better player than Firminho actually create MORE opportunities for Salah and Mane to score?

Look back to the Ronaldo, Tevez, Rooney trio, who scored 57 goals in 07-08 PL and 79 in all competitions. They all benefited each other. So, although Ronaldo plays in a different position now, he is still a hell of a player and I personally think he would make Liverpool immensely better. The thought actually makes me feel ill.
 
But, what would it matter if it was about "balance"

Last season Salah got 22, Mane 11 and Firmino 9 in the Premier League. That is a total of 42 goals. So, if Ronaldo played instead of Firmino, what would it matter if Ronaldo go 20, Salah 15 and Mane 7? It is still 42 goals for the team.

However, in reality, I could see Ronaldo getting at least 30 in Liverpools team. Even if that means Salah and Mane got a little less, say 18 and 7 goals, that is still 55 goals, 13 more than last season. And, in actual fact, would Ronaldo not put more fear into opposition defences, and along with being a better player than Firminho actually create MORE opportunities for Salah and Mane to score?

Look back to the Ronaldo, Tevez, Rooney trio, who scored 57 goals in 07-08 PL and 79 in all competitions. They all benefited each other. So, although Ronaldo plays in a different position now, he is still a hell of a player and I personally think he would make Liverpool immensely better. The thought actually makes me feel ill.

Last season isn’t the greatest to use as a pointer for the three - Mane and Bobby were off form and it wasn’t their most productive

17/18 - 57 in league - 91 in all comps
18/19 - 56 in league - 69 in all comps
19/20 - 48 in league - 67 in all comps

It’s not just about the goals scoring for Firmino - he is a key reason why the likes of Mane and Mo score as much as they do, he is a totally different player to Ronaldo.

Ronaldo is the number 9 - the focal point , it all needs to go through and into him and yes he will score goals but it’s more than just about scoring goals. And imo it’s why Klopp would never look at someone like Ronaldo even with him being a top Goalscorer. Our front three has been consistently one of the best if not the best in Europe over the last 4/5 years - because of the way they compliment each other - when Jota comes in there is a little change in the way the front three play
 
Kane over the last season then yes - he certainly is getting more involved deeper but IMO it’s affected his goal return

Lukaku the same

Bobby doesn’t score as many as others because of that role he plays - the goals he isn’t scoring are being scored by Mane and Mo - if Bobby does play a bit higher then he would score more but then Mane etc would score less. All about balance between the three - it’s why IMO Ronaldo wouldn’t be suited to us.

Ronaldo definately not - He wouldnt have the work rate - but I do think the others would slot in and improve you. But as I said before 100m for 5/6 extra goals from your striker when you already have the ability to win the prem and CL is a bit of a glamour spend and not necessary. I like many people on here admire the liverpool model. You havent brought the league and youre not breaking transfer records for no real gain. VVD and Allison were worth every penny.
 
Ronaldo definately not - He wouldnt have the work rate - but I do think the others would slot in and improve you. But as I said before 100m for 5/6 extra goals from your striker when you already have the ability to win the prem and CL is a bit of a glamour spend and not necessary. I like many people on here admire the liverpool model. You havent brought the league and youre not breaking transfer records for no real gain. VVD and Allison were worth every penny.

yes - it’s a lot money to spend on not too much improvement , but we will need to replace Bobby soon and I think we will see a young player coming in during the summer.
 
yes - it’s a lot money to spend on not too much improvement , but we will need to replace Bobby soon and I think we will see a young player coming in during the summer.

You do to be fair. Someone great with his back to goal who is more than capable of scoring 15 a season. Hard to come by in todays market but your scouts dont seem to fail often. Who's looking good for the red bull teams at the moment? :ROFLMAO:
 
We’ll have to agree to disagree, I agree on the principle of not putting all your eggs in one basket, but Lineker was bought on the back of us winning the League, the ECWC and runners-up in the FA Cup, the next step was to try for the European Cup.

The Lineker season we ended up on the same points as we had the season after when we won the League.

Not sure what the slight change of style you remember is, but personally I’d give the credit to LPool who were simply the better team that season and were in the middle of probably their best spell in their history.
30 odd years ago so happy to accept my memory is hazy on this. I seem to think we went a little faster up to Lineker, more through balls for him to run onto. A bit like how Leicester play with Vardy. It altered how we played through the midfield. As I say though, 30 plus years ago so.......

Off to play some bad golf now ??
 
You do to be fair. Someone great with his back to goal who is more than capable of scoring 15 a season. Hard to come by in todays market but your scouts dont seem to fail often. Who's looking good for the red bull teams at the moment? :ROFLMAO:

The one that is being rumours is Karim Adeymi - at Salzburg , but who knows , Bellingham is also rumoured ?
 
If people are comparing Ronaldo with Firmino, forgetting why goals scored, how do they compare with tackles made, own and balls recovered? Liverpool are a team of 11, whereas with Ronaldo Utd appear a team of 10.5
 
Last season isn’t the greatest to use as a pointer for the three - Mane and Bobby were off form and it wasn’t their most productive

17/18 - 57 in league - 91 in all comps
18/19 - 56 in league - 69 in all comps
19/20 - 48 in league - 67 in all comps

It’s not just about the goals scoring for Firmino - he is a key reason why the likes of Mane and Mo score as much as they do, he is a totally different player to Ronaldo.

Ronaldo is the number 9 - the focal point , it all needs to go through and into him and yes he will score goals but it’s more than just about scoring goals. And imo it’s why Klopp would never look at someone like Ronaldo even with him being a top Goalscorer. Our front three has been consistently one of the best if not the best in Europe over the last 4/5 years - because of the way they compliment each other - when Jota comes in there is a little change in the way the front three play
The only reason Firminos goal tally is low is his finishing isn’t good.
We have had this discussion before. He gets chances but just dosnt finish them.
He’s not really a striker.
He links the play up brilliantly but Jota plays a similar role as you say but his finishing is better imo.
 
Last season isn’t the greatest to use as a pointer for the three - Mane and Bobby were off form and it wasn’t their most productive

17/18 - 57 in league - 91 in all comps
18/19 - 56 in league - 69 in all comps
19/20 - 48 in league - 67 in all comps

It’s not just about the goals scoring for Firmino - he is a key reason why the likes of Mane and Mo score as much as they do, he is a totally different player to Ronaldo.

Ronaldo is the number 9 - the focal point , it all needs to go through and into him and yes he will score goals but it’s more than just about scoring goals. And imo it’s why Klopp would never look at someone like Ronaldo even with him being a top Goalscorer. Our front three has been consistently one of the best if not the best in Europe over the last 4/5 years - because of the way they compliment each other - when Jota comes in there is a little change in the way the front three play
Again, I think this is a complete red herring. If Ronaldo is in a relatively poor team, then of course he becomes a focal point. His team mates rely on him to do the business they cannot do themselves. But, it is crazy to think Liverpool would suddenly start playing completely different with Ronaldo up front instead of Firminho. As if suddenly Salah becomes a different player and much less effective. If you think that, then maybe Salah is all just hype. He can only play with someone of similar stature as Firminho. There is no way Pep was going to bring Ronaldo into the City team so that they'd have a focal point, and thus play completely differently to how they play now.

Ronaldo can do everything that Firminho can do. He can set up goals like he did with Cavani last weekend, so if he had Salah up with him there is no doubt he would be able to give Salah plenty of opportunities. Perhaps if Liverpool had a weak manager, then there would be a temptation to instruct his players to constantly look to Ronaldo to finish things off. Klopp wouldn't
 
Again, I think this is a complete red herring. If Ronaldo is in a relatively poor team, then of course he becomes a focal point. His team mates rely on him to do the business they cannot do themselves. But, it is crazy to think Liverpool would suddenly start playing completely different with Ronaldo up front instead of Firminho. As if suddenly Salah becomes a different player and much less effective. If you think that, then maybe Salah is all just hype. He can only play with someone of similar stature as Firminho. There is no way Pep was going to bring Ronaldo into the City team so that they'd have a focal point, and thus play completely differently to how they play now.

Ronaldo can do everything that Firminho can do. He can set up goals like he did with Cavani last weekend, so if he had Salah up with him there is no doubt he would be able to give Salah plenty of opportunities. Perhaps if Liverpool had a weak manager, then there would be a temptation to instruct his players to constantly look to Ronaldo to finish things off. Klopp wouldn't
I agree there are to many times Liverpool don’t have anybody in the box.
So the wide players are forced back or have to go alone.
It’s how Klopp plays and we have done very well with this system.
A top CF might make a difference but we might lose something in midfield that Firmino does.
Ronaldo seems to see things other players don’t, he could adjust to play anywhere imo he is that good.
He would definitely give us an added threat.
With TAA crossing his aerial threat would be fantastic.
 
Ronaldo definately not - He wouldnt have the work rate - but I do think the others would slot in and improve you. But as I said before 100m for 5/6 extra goals from your striker when you already have the ability to win the prem and CL is a bit of a glamour spend and not necessary. I like many people on here admire the liverpool model. You havent brought the league and youre not breaking transfer records for no real gain. VVD and Allison were worth every penny.
5/6 goals might just win you four games instead of drawing Thats 8 points and could win you the PL.
That’s worth the transfer fee alone.
 
Put Salah in the Utd team and he’d be no longer be the best in the world on current form.

Ronaldo, Messi and few others in recent years would improve any team.

As has been said already on this thread it’s the manager that makes the difference and how they put their jigsaw (team) together.

There are superb players in all top 4 teams that opposition managers wouldn’t have at their Club as they wouldn’t see them fitting in.
 
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